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5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby TestPlay » 30 Oct 2017, 03:40

I am not too sure on how the automatch system determines the map that you get while playing ranked, but getting the 5x5 km maps seems to be too often (in my case sometimes getting it 2 or 3 games in a row), and 25% of all of my ranked games are all on Esgaroth's Ruins (and Williamson's Bridge on previous rotation).

Would there be a way for the system to automatch the 10x10 km maps more often? The 5x5 km maps are really boring and getting it so often only means that games are won or lost based mostly on luck (because there is no time to react and counter to a superior strategy). I think that ranked games are more enjoyable on the bigger maps and I have not gotten a 20x20 km map in quite awhile either.

The 5x5 km maps should only be automatched on about 1 or 2 times in 10 games? :roll:
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby Farmsletje » 30 Oct 2017, 03:58

Or just implement a not totally random system but a system that avoids repeating the same map like this:

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Would be nice if someone of the dev team could give us answer if it's possible to implement this because this has been brought up months and months ago for the first time and up to this day we still didn't hear anything about it.
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby speed2 » 30 Oct 2017, 09:43

Surely it's possible but you need to convince one of the few ppl who can do server things to code it.

I'll mention it on the next dev call
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby Plasma_Wolf » 30 Oct 2017, 14:20

If it's anything, then it's confirmation bias.

At the moment there's only one 5x5 map in the pool so there's a chance of 1/7 that you get it in a match. I've done 6 battles in the new map pool and 4 have been Point of Reach. The chance that I get PoR is also 1/7. Having a change in code to reduce the chance of getting maps of X size is just a bad idea, because there are people who like map A or map B.

Because the map pool is so incredibly small this happens. I've been against the reduction when it happened and I would like to see an increase again, but apparently I'm in the minority here.

I would welcome a bit of code that makes sure you don't get the same map twice in a row, but this also reduces the map pool to 5 or (if you're matched with the same opponent, that happens a lot) 6 maps.
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby Farmsletje » 30 Oct 2017, 14:32

You would still cycle all the maps, the only thing that changed is that it will be a little more predictable.

Even though it's technically 1 in 5, for you it would be more like 1 in 6 because you don't know the previous map of your opponent.
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby Freedomfighter » 30 Oct 2017, 23:51

Or you know, we could just have more maps in general :lol:
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby Tex » 30 Oct 2017, 23:53

Confirmation bias at its finest, if anything we need more 5k maps. Should bring moonlight mesas and firelight back in the rotation ^^

I dont know how to do the screenshot, but my last 10 maps had 2 5k, 2 20k, and 6 10k. Seems about right. Also, even when things are random, that can mean you get strange results. When enough people roll some dice, you will see those 1 in 500 things happen.

Edit - also, saying 5k maps are mostly luck based and you have no time to react to strategy is complete bull.
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby IceDreamer » 31 Oct 2017, 01:50

I think there's something to be gained here. A shift to map selection to one which excludes the last map each player played, then rolls the dice, would allow us to expand the map pool a little bit (3 or 4 more maps), something some people really want and others don't, AND reduce the 'replay fatigue' of getting the same map over and over by chance.
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby nine2 » 31 Oct 2017, 04:08

would love to see from someone with database access if the map selection actually is perfectly random.
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Re: 5x5 km maps should be played less often in ranked?

Postby Farmsletje » 31 Oct 2017, 04:35

Do you really need evidence for that? Why wouldn't it be totally random right now?
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