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Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby Wesmania » 04 Apr 2017, 20:42

Look at this here:

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Do you ever use this number?

A little context - the client uses a "trueskill" python package. I was curious to see where it was used - turns out right now it's only used to generate this quality percentage. I'm not really sure if it's useful, I feel it's only really reliable when the game is full (and why would you check quality of an already full game).
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby PhilipJFry » 04 Apr 2017, 20:56

there you go
here is a video if you don't like reading
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby ZLO_RD » 04 Apr 2017, 20:58

i only look at it when game is full
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby CookieNoob » 04 Apr 2017, 21:19

PhilipJFry wrote:there you go
here is a video if you don't like reading


I am 100% sure you missunderstood him.

The question was about the game quality indicator in the client, not in the lobby. It was introduced so you can see how the balance is when you join and take the next free spot. However, it assumes that there is no balancing afterwards...

So no, I dont use it ever.
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby Wesmania » 04 Apr 2017, 21:24

PhilipJFry wrote:<snip>


I don't need explaining how it works (don't give me that "if you don't like reading" bullshit either). I was interested if people even look at this number, since it's meaningless with uneven number of players in teams, while people are still joining or waiting for one more player.
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby tatsu » 04 Apr 2017, 21:43

Wesmania wrote:
PhilipJFry wrote:<snip>


I don't need explaining how it works (don't give me that "if you don't like reading" bullshit either). I was interested if people even look at this number, since it's meaningless with uneven number of players in teams, while people are still joining or waiting for one more player.

it's every noob i've ever played with's Bible.

few people know how absolutely crud this feature is.

we should either have it removed or have it replaced by a overall connectivity quality indicator.
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby Wesmania » 04 Apr 2017, 21:49

To clarify, I'm specifically talking about the percentage that shows in the client, not in the lobby - and I only think it makes little sense because it's either inaccurate or the game is full already.
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby Exotic_Retard » 04 Apr 2017, 23:27

oh riiiiiight client.

ok in client i totally blank that number, its broken 99% of the time anyway, or at least thats my impression.

in the LOBBY its invaluable however, and i know the distinction has already been made i feel its important enough to make it again; hope this helps
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby JoonasTo » 05 Apr 2017, 00:18

You're right, it's completely useless there and should be removed.

Doesn't it also get used in the replays though?
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Re: Do you ever look at game quality in game tab?

Postby Wesmania » 05 Apr 2017, 00:32

I'm pretty certain the client code doesn't calculate game quality anywhere else.

I imagine it would be nice to display quality of a stored replay (since player ratings seem to be also stored with it), but there's no such thing in place right now.
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