Is early base giving allowed?A heated discussion with Gorton

[NinjaWarrior97]

Gorton threatened to ban me because my little brother, who is not very good at the game due to some nerve damage in his fingers, likes to give his base to me. We play an integrated strategy on a specific turtle map where this strategy works. Most maps if we do this, like Gap of Rohan or Setons, we'd get destroyed doing this. But on Dual Gap - the ultimate 6 on 6 turtle map - sometimes it works to have 2 players combine their ecos by one player giving their base to another.

Anyone in FA can do this anytime they want. Just get a friend to give you their base right after the game starts. It's been allowed and a common strategy for over 5 years. Anyways, Gorton has threatened to ban me for doing this, alleging without any evidence that me and my little brother are the same person.

Even if that were true, it is allowed to give bases and we are allowed 1 account per computer (we have 4). If we were the same person we'd be at an even bigger disadvantage than we are doing this, not having anyone to watch a zoomed out view on the other monitor.

Anyways, I don't like being threatened with a ban for violating a rule that isn't even published. I told Gorton in no uncertain terms that I'm going to continue this strategy unless the rules page, here, a page that Gorton maintains, is updated with a rule to cover this. Also, I expect that if me and my brother get banned, I expect that the dozens of other people I have seen do this in dual gap - giving their bases to 1 player or committing suicide so 1 player can have multiple bases or giving their mexes when an artillery is under construction or giving economy via Eco Manager so 1 player can upgrade rapidly - also get banned regularly and quickly.

The rules page is stickied at the top of this forum. If you see a rule that applies - "breaking" the game doesn't apply because no glitch is being used - let me know. It's an inherent ability that anyone can do so long as the game allows the giving of all units and resources. Also, I don't think Gorton should threaten people with bans if he can't point to a specific rule they are violating on his own list of rules. Nor do I think he should pass a rule if it's banning something that is clearly intended behavior by the programming of the game. (just like the rule against tech trading on Seton's is unenforceable. Game hosts can kick people who traded tech but those players should not be banned as that is abusive moderator behavior)

[Ithilis_Quo]

I fully agree with you. Uncommon strategy should never get baned becasue thith side dont like it.

When i imagine how many time some slave from bektos die to purpose for bigger gain for team. How many autodestruction i did to strat acu chain reaction, or how many games i play witheout base that give ally and play only with acu that slow enemy team down to great victory.

There is 0 reson for ban.

[BRNKoINSANITY]

I think the problem here is that according to the IP address Gorton is assuming that one person has two computers or is running to instances of wine on linux or something, and starts the game pretending to be two people. He then ctl-ks or suicides one com or just puts it to the side, and gets to play as 1 person with 16 mex instead of 8 (or whatever amount) I totally agree, that would be totally wrong and a seriously messed up way to troll a game.

The issue here is whether or not it is actually two people or one person pretending with two accounts.

I am not taking sides in this, I am not saying either one is right or wrong. Just pointing out what the situation is, and that I think the hypothetical situation should be considered ban worthy abuse.

[Sprouto]

I must agree - from the perspective of a moderator, it would be near impossible to tell the difference between two actual players from the same address, or someone running two computers. I suppose, if it were me, I would warn someone the first time I saw it (especially if a ladder game) and outright ban it if repeated (certainly if a ladder game). It's unfortunate, if it's true, but it's the only way to keep the community completely impartial.

[nine2]

who is not very good at the game due to some nerve damage in his fingers, likes to give his base to me. We play an integrated strategy

maybe one could see from the replay if the little brother is still issuing orders.
if he is still issuing orders then its legit.
if he isn't then its cheating.

[buletproof_bob]

What if it is two actual players, where a team takes low rated player to balance a game and then he gives all his base to the 1600+. Seen that happen a few times.

Different question I know, but since the thread is already started. I assumed it was cheating at the time.

[Heaven]

i've lost a game in a tourney to base giving and it was a great game. very creative form of cheese, i really liked it and wouldn't mind seeing more of it.

1 player getting 2 bases without a teammate is messed up though. we should be able to verify whether the game had 2 separate people in it based on the replay data. if commands were given on 2 different computers at the exact same time, that tells us his brother exists (most likely)

[PhilipJFry]

It would be really great if people would stop speculating and maybe wait for a statement from Gorton.
Just watched one replay and its literally "his brother" making a landfac+the starting mex and then giving all to him and walking his acu into a save spot and then 0 action at all. Assuming its actually a different person i see 0 reason for him to play at all. He might as well just watch from observe.
Other than that i'd say its the hosts job to enforce "custom rules" such as no base giving or stuff like that.

[nine2]

but its fuun to speculate

[PhilipJFry]

Taking a closer look at the replays and doing a smurfcheck makes me at least assume that this guy is using multiple accs himself (probably NinjaWarrior97 and Opyt19). So theres that.
BTW there is no "rule" against tech trading on setons.
I'm also not sure if you know what the ecomanager does and does not do.