Why did you stop playing FAF regularly?

[NapSpan]

Just reading that wiki article confused me, But I think I get the general idea of the system.

As I understand it: it is just assuming your skill level and assuming the outcome before it happens; based on a deviation shown in your performance accross several games.. ?

So basically you can start off as a great player, or a really bad player, but either way you'll reach a point where the system thinks it has you sussed; guesses your performance will be "between this and that" and says that due to statistical unlikelyness, you'll not be awarded/punished with a higher/lower rating. All in all, eventually you'll reach a point where the system has capped your skill level based on the "Deviation" calculated, and you can only go downhill from there.

Correct me if I'm reading it wrongly.

Well, if you start consuming crack and change your nationality to be korean, your skill level can improve above that point, but yes, you get the idea.

[Tanksy]

But this ignores the simple fact that there will always be people better than you that you can conquer and triumph. It refuses the idea that you might have a great game and overcome a top class player, purely based on it being "unlikely"..

[TheKoopa]

Just reading that wiki article confused me, But I think I get the general idea of the system.

As I understand it: it is just assuming your skill level and assuming the outcome before it happens; based on a deviation shown in your performance accross several games.. ?

So basically you can start off as a great player, or a really bad player, but either way you'll reach a point where the system thinks it has you sussed; guesses your performance will be "between this and that" and says that due to statistical unlikelyness, you'll not be awarded/punished with a higher/lower rating. All in all, eventually you'll reach a point where the system has capped your skill level based on the "Deviation" calculated, and you can only go downhill from there.

Correct me if I'm reading it wrongly.

Well, if you start consuming crack and change your nationality to be korean, your skill level can improve above that point, but yes, you get the idea.

German*

[Gorton]

Just reading that wiki article confused me, But I think I get the general idea of the system.

As I understand it: it is just assuming your skill level and assuming the outcome before it happens; based on a deviation shown in your performance accross several games.. ?

So basically you can start off as a great player, or a really bad player, but either way you'll reach a point where the system thinks it has you sussed; guesses your performance will be "between this and that" and says that due to statistical unlikelyness, you'll not be awarded/punished with a higher/lower rating. All in all, eventually you'll reach a point where the system has capped your skill level based on the "Deviation" calculated, and you can only go downhill from there.

Correct me if I'm reading it wrongly.

Yes, you are.

It thinks it has you understood, but always changes your deviation and mean based on last game, so you're going to settle in a place near where you are, and change from there, just slower.
Which makes sense, as you're unlikely to jump in skill / drop in skill a large amount in a few games.

and says that due to statistical unlikelyness, you'll not be awarded/punished with a higher/lower rating.

Reread that. It makes no sense, and I have no idea how you even came up with it.

[Tanksy]

I mean, It goes on the statistical unlikelyness that you will have one amazing game compared to your deviation -- So it doesn't reward you. But on the flip side, it doesn't think you'll do a terrible game either so it doesn't punish you by much if you do.

Right?

[TheKoopa]

From what I've heard the faf system does something retarded and flat out adds a flat amount to your deviation after each game

[SpoCk0nd0pe]

So far, I didn't play much but I lost motivation fairly quickly.

Currently, the FAF balance really needs some work. Zock is doing a good job at enhancing things. Far too many people think the idea that a faction is strictly better at certain tech levels is an inherent trait of FA. I think it's just poor balance.

I have been really really good at another RTS, so I'm used to playing on a very high level. Since the game is so old and the community so much against shaking things up, I'm just too lazy to catch up and learn the complex BOs required for a working FA eco.

Having to rely on strange exploits like factory attack move does not make things easier. Factory attack move requires some experience to use right. Even worse: If you are a noob and overflowing stuff, the engies will loose their command. The game seriously needs area commands, something Homeworld has since '99.

Which leads to community attitude: I remember reading in the area commands thread that people complained about the feature with really poor arguments. Same as with the latest patch changes. There are some very loud Chewbaccas in the community who just don't like change. They get personal, hinder development and try to generally bash people.

[biass]

If you're still looking to play and would like some advice, hit me up^

[Voodoo]

I'm just too lazy to catch up and learn the complex BOs required for a working FA eco.

That is exactly the point. You need a good bo for all maps. Thats why I'm against a large ladder map pool. So you have to check like 10 replays for each map, to look up a good bo for yourself. Then you have to learn this bo and yeah that is horrible for new players but even old players have to do this when a new map finds his way into the pool.

I also don't want to learn new maps/bos but as I played over 30.000 games, I normally just need a look at the map to see where is the reclaim and how can I use it but even then a good player would beat me with a better build order.

But there is no "easy way". I can understand that you give up fast as the game is old but I would be happy if you try it again.

[dstojkov]

well the topic is pretty wide ....

I guess the balance orientation that punish every other strategy but map control to win made it for me

I still have to bring argument in chat for ppl to make them understand that is exactly why 3599 was so beloved and played ... You HAD a choice on how you want to win a game i.e : eco , tech rush, snipe, drop etc .... depending on that you could adapt your BO for this unique purpose and not depending on the map. Some say this is still possible now ... for those i will answer this is possible in the context that you already and ONLY if you have the upper hand, thus, in fact, NOT possible

Some unit were strong in the context of being rushed. Now this is not anymore possible ... there is no way to stealth the win to someone who already took the map control. In sort the game has becoming "one way" thinking/playing thus boring since there is almost no surprise and no suddenly coming back that could even make ppl happy to watch the replay


Regards