Setons dying

[TA4Life]

There was a time in this game when there were more players playing setons, than any other map. The gameplay was of very high quality and one could say with confidence that no player from outside could come in and pose a challenge. This belief has persisted even when many setons greats have left and the new players failed to reach the previous heights. This was the time that Zock and Lu_Xun_17 showed up and crushed this belief. They killed the giant when it was weak, great players know when to attack.
Today I am sad, I know I suck at navy and I can't defend seton's honor. Where are you setons pro's? You have abandoned the battlefield when the real enemy showed up and all your past victories are in vain. You have abandoned Seton's oceans and now enemy ships control them with impunity. Will the old guard return or will setons be forever banished into the place where thermo now resides? Will the noobs rise up and with the help of the few remaining greats learn the skills that will allow them to bring setons back to greatness? Today I am sad, there is little hope, but hope dies last.

[-_V_-]

stop the weed TA. You must have missed/forgotten the other times they got owned like babies .
You should search into your own databank .

I failed once, and galac failed once. Did you even watch the replays ?
I didn't lose because I tried my best and failed. Nah I played very bad, too much eco and no t2/t3 navy after 20min. .
I would be quite worried if I had played any close to my real level and happened to lost. Just not the case.
I'm eager to rematch that, knowing perfectly what will happen. Cocky ? Arrogant? Absolutely! Prove me wrong, you know where to find me


Well Lu Xun only played once , but I'm more than willing to correct this unfortunate event, and I guess Galac will make his mea culpa versus Lu Xun too if he dares to try again.

In each game of the *TWO* games we failed, the situation of the game didn't give us the opportunity to make up for it. Shit happens .

I agree on something though, not so many real good seton regulars are still there. The general level of the games is clearly below of what it used to be. I don't remember the last time I've had a game filled with only *real good* players. HBE are gone, Dim, jaguar are gone, lamegod is more or less gone, smasher is not on so often, same for lappen etc. Even yourself don't play so much anymore. Very sad. world players seem to have resisted much better to the FAF wave

The simple fact that people are now constantly crying because TWO players (out of 4) , me and galac, play together is the proof that the level isn't quite what is used to be

[Ze_PilOt]

I've a theory you won't like.

Setons "pros" were pros because GPGNET was dying and they were playing either against themselves or noobs.

Now that we have old good players back, and actually playing their games, they don't stand a chance.
I really don't think they were standing a chance a few months back in GPGNET either.

When I see the replays of their seton games, there is a consistency : Good seton players have good BOs but can't adapt to a situation they don't know, and blame their team mates if they fail instead of helping them, while good players do whatever needed for winning, and play more like a team.

In the last game you've cast, ARMA was fair play and sit back when he won against his direct opponent, it would have been a terrible no-game again (like the one with voodoo) otherwise .

[-_V_-]

I've a theory you won't like.

Setons "pros" were pros because GPGNET was dying and they were playing either against themselves or noobs.

Now that we have old good players back, and actually playing their games, they don't stand a chance.
I really don't think they were standing a chance a few months back in GPGNET either.

When I see the replays of their seton games, there is a consistency : Good seton players have good BOs but can't adapt to a situation they don't know, and blame their team mates if they fail instead of helping them, while good players do whatever needed for winning, and play more like a team.

In the last game you've cast, ARMA was fair play and sit back when he won against his direct opponent, it would have been a terrible no-game again (like the one with voodoo) otherwise .

Nothing to like or not, each one is entitled to his own wrong opinion.

When the level is really high you can only help to some extent. *Usually*, from experience, you're better off making your spot win for sure then provide help, not helping heavily from the beginning cause it often leads to general failure.

I acknowledge that we don't play as a team as much as we should/could, but again as I stated before, I won't try to save the ass of one teamate who failed horribly, beyond help (not talking about some occasional help). It's just waste of time and ressources. Being good is also imho being able to judge who's worth getting helped or not. If you lack the judgment on what needs to be done, on what is worth saving or not, then you're not good, you're just a team player.

In the game I failed versus Zock, I could have made up for it some help at the right moment, but I didn't get it properly. Not blaming my teammate who played well, just stating facts. Beyond a certain stage, I just told them to push and win elsewhere. It would have been just a stupid choice to help me any further.

Considering the configuration of the map, you can win with 3 spots or even 2 (*waves @ Galac fellow*).

Like one old grumpy whining grandpa used to say : "JUST WIN YOUR FUCKIN' SIDE" / "IF ONLY I COULD PLAY 4 POSITIONS AT THE SAME TIME".

Playing as a team with a plan is for the weak. I don't want this shit. Period. You're losing? Then lose and go hide and cry, get better and come back.

Anyway, let's be honnest, each of those 2 games success were relying on either me winning, or galac winning. We failed both each a turn. Game over .We didn't have crazy good players to make up for our occasional failure i.e. win the other sides while we held our spots like we could. This is a problem when the balance is articulated around 2 players. One fails, game is more likely over.

I'd like to use this thread to start a new challenge for the worlds noobs (so that they could maybe prove that they can sometimes not be bashed hehe, teasin', teasin' ), but I'm afraid we miss quality players, unless TA/smasher/White commit to play and Dim/Jaguar/Lamegod come back....but i have very little hope on that


Bring *any world* player team , and I mean ANY, and if they beat this team : Dim, Smasher/TA/Dcc, Galac/Jaguar, Myself, I would shut the f*** up forever and ever on this matter <<--- priceless reward, right ?

I can feel the pressure rising, the gladiators getting ready to enter the arena, bring it bitches LOL. Seriously it would be very fun

[Batmansrueckkehr]

"shit talk" again.. haha so funny!

a: we r the best!
b: no we r the best!
a: proof it and i shut up.. wuaaa!! because we r the best!!!
b: play some other maps if u r so good!
a: no, i am master in eco, build power and air micro - so we r the best!!! muhahaha..

anyway.. who really cares?
the only thing which is anoying is this misplaced arrogance.. but anyway - as i said, who really cares?

[-_V_-]

"shit talk" again.. haha so funny!

Completely, that's the deal, I just LOVE it

[BlackFish]

On the topic of setons, the last one I played a "setons pro" complained that full share wasn't on, and all pros in setons games play with full share on instead of share until death, which what I told him was the new standard.

[Gowerly]

It's always entertaining.

One of the reasons the Setons pros are so good at setons is that they play as a team. They each have their positions and have worked hard to make their positions work. Some are good in more than one position, but you'll find that if they were to play out of their one/two positions, they will be much less good.

When others try to play them, they play as 4 random people, which significantly reduces effectiveness.

For this reason the TAG vs Setons games were really good, as TAG also play well as a team.

However, outside of Setons and TAG, there aren't really people that play regularly as a team. I would be up for reforming QSquids with new people, though

[-_V_-]

On the topic of setons, the last one I played a "setons pro" complained that full share wasn't on, and all pros in setons games play with full share on instead of share until death, which what I told him was the new standard.

What is your nick on FAF cause I don't remember you joining a "pro" (as you call it) seton ?

For the sharing, just a matter of taste. Both have advantages and issues and have strategic inner consequences.

You don't go snipe someone if you know the (good) eco will go to someone who can easily handle 2 bases. Simple example : no sniping on the mid player when the side player is dim. It's like asking to get bashed . Kill the eco before or be sure you can destroy the base fast enough.

Although it's obvious that you would like a reward for getting a ACU killed, too many games would be spoiled too early with Share until death. That's the only reason we don't play this way. One silly move from one player can result in general failure. Sounds like a big wastage.

Some are good in more than one position, but you'll find that if they were to play out of their one/two positions, they will be much less good.

We all have our best spots, but the real goods can play any spot more than decently

[Gowerly]

Although it's obvious that you would like a reward for getting a ACU killed, too many games would be spoiled too early with Share until death. That's the only reason we don't play this way. One silly move from one player can result in general failure. Sounds like a big wastage.

No, it sounds like there are consequences for your actions. Games should be won or lost on the simplest of mistakes!
Agreed, though, that generally it is a matter of taste.