Seraphim vs Aeon

[benikens]

I play phim on ladder most of the time, on some maps I have a hard time dealing with Aeon t1. I was wondering what strategies I should be employing to beat them? For example I was playing theta passage the other day and got stomped, I felt like it was mostly due to a few bad engagements where I lost a lot of tanks to kiting.

Should I be pushing for a fast t2 factory to get t2 chicken bots?
Should I be trying to take air control and bombing them?

Also not looking for Aeon OP pls nerf comments, this isn't about balance it's about strategy.

[Aurion]

Should I be pushing for a fast t2 factory to get t2 chicken bots?
Should I be trying to take air control and bombing them?

Both are interesting and really strong for Seraphim vs Aeon (epic bombers, Illshavoh rape Aurora). I think gun is also quite strong.

[tatsu]

I think gun is also quite strong.

what's the eco and timing for that because I always seem to get it wrong.

[SilverKronos]

to have the gun you need at least +300 power income and +10 mass income. You can push it really early but you risk to be overrun by t1 spam.
it's you to see what's the best against your current opponent. you can upgrade your ACU to the gun with +- 10 pgen and your hydro( you need to pause everything else if you want to have it really fast) i don't what's better, build more power and assist with engi or build just enough power and don't assit the ACU. the first delay the beginning of the upgrade but it's completed faster, the others can begin sooner but take much longer time.

EDIT: i think the first option is safer because you can build more units before beginning your gun. Beginning the gun just when you have the power to do it is more risky.

[KD7BCH]

Always go gun with Sera ACU. You typically pick up a few levels of vet against T1 spam until they figure out its a no go. You can also once secure go T2 ACU without losing the gun. Hell yea!. Make sure you pick the right gun upgrade too, not the 7 min one. Sera ACU can also get that other gun upgrade during T2-T3 transition which makes the ACU a real beast. You can teleport too, what really? Yes Really, and that makes for another surprising tactical advantage late game or to finish an ACU that was hit by strats but not wiped out. I wouldn't teleport against Cybran ACU but UEF, other Sera or Aeon lol, boom dead. Just watch out for Strats or EXPs. I think my favorite late game is shield layers with Arty though. Against a stand off threat they just have such large powerful shields they turtle even better than UEF in my opinion. Against close up late game firepower it is all about layers of defenses if you can build them to act as attrition, gunships & Arty for the perimeter assault, strats for in close, and PD behind those damn shield layers to finish anything that gets though that, usually only the heaviest of EXPs or waves of SABs

[PsychoBoB]

I like to play with Aeon and for me the Sera T1 bombers are a pain in the a**!
Gun can be countered with the range update of the Aeon commander.

Try to get 2 or 3 bombers out and use the "spread attack" command (shift-G or only G) to kill even large groups of auroras relatively easy.

[Mr-Smith]

I usually play Cybran, but still vs Aeon t1 I go depending on teh map for gun or t2 land, or very rarely for t2 air

[theeggroll]

I'm with Mr-Smith. T2 rush is normally the way to go against aeon

[benikens]

Cool thanks for the tips, I've been playing a lot of seraphim and I think I've just been neglecting pushing t2 land fast enough. I usually make some amount of bombers but not a high count. Most maps I go second air and have a factory template of bomber/scout/3 inti/bomber/3 inti repeat. I find it hard to know when going for gun is safe, especially on a smaller map where I don't know if I can survive that much down time on production.

[BRNKoINSANITY]

With seraphim, t2 rush is pretty much always the answer to your problems, thanks to the oh so lovely illshivah.