Is Cybran weak in general?

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Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby TheStrategist » 25 Feb 2012, 04:03

So I was watching this one replay on youtube and the commentator said that Cybran is weak and hasnt been successful in the IMBA cup. I always play Cybran (because I like the units' look), and I feel like Aeon, and to a lesser extent UEF has important advantages over Cybran, but I also think that my playstyle is slightly noobish and unrefined. What do you guys think.
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby uberge3k » 25 Feb 2012, 04:53

Cybran is for players who are ridiculously overpowered and want to handicap themselves as a courtesy to their opponents. See: TAG_ROCK, Isen.

Surgeon General's Warning wrote:Cybran should only be used by trained professionals under controlled circumstances. Home use is strongly discouraged due to a high probability of embarrassing defeat. By selecting Cybran, you agree to waive all rights to a fair and balanced game, and understand and accept this risk. Consult your professional mentor for advice before choosing to select Cybran as everyone's condition is unique. Side effects may include: laser units which don't hit anything, ACUs which are made of paper, overpriced T1 artillery, firebeetles which cannot hit moving targets, gunships which are ineffective at hitting hard targets, F/Bs which cannot hit anything period, stealth units which seem like a nice idea in theory but fail miserably when the enemy is not legally considered brain dead, generally underwhelming experimentals, total lack of mobile shield units, useless ACU upgrades, T2 PDs which are constantly made fun of by the cool kids' PDs, nausea, and possibly vomiting. Do not use Cybran in combination with other Cybran teammates, as doing so will cause a chain reaction of suckitude ensuring your team's defeat.

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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby FunkOff » 25 Feb 2012, 05:05

uberge3k wrote:laser units which don't hit anything


That one's fixed for next patch. :D
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby Kryo » 25 Feb 2012, 10:53

TheStrategist wrote:So I was watching this one replay on youtube and the commentator said that Cybran is weak and hasnt been successful in the IMBA cup. I always play Cybran (because I like the units' look), and I feel like Aeon, and to a lesser extent UEF has important advantages over Cybran, but I also think that my playstyle is slightly noobish and unrefined. What do you guys think.


it is true, Cybran have some weaknesses, especially in tower games, but their stealth ability can often win a game. You just have to use it often .
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby uberge3k » 25 Feb 2012, 14:59

Not if the enemy knows what they're doing. Air control hard-counters stealth, and even if you've lost air control, a stream of air scouts suicided at whatever you need to see will still get the job done.

I would take mobile shields over stealth any day. :(
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby Armmagedon » 25 Feb 2012, 16:36

weak for tower battles?
actually cybran have the best pds and the shields more easy to build and upgrade that is like extra hpfor some secs
i know ppl that said that cyb was OP in 3603, but for me the big problem of cyb is the t1 units and the ML.
ML actually is too expensive compared with Ylotha or GC, and you cant buff his power with shields like ylotha or GC.

mantis are the fastest but the weakest t1 assault unit, and t1 cyb arty is a big shit, the only thing is the EMP.

and cyb com need some type of hp upgrade like shield or regen, its the only one that havent one.

i was used to play cybran in vanilla but now in FA i prefeer sera
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby Sunder » 27 Feb 2012, 21:04

I wouldn't say this is true, but there is a lot more micro-management required to play them effectively. Most of the Cybran's power comes from their secondary abilities, not their primary ones. Just take their land units: Mantises are great because even when idling they can assist build, Sky Slammers can hit land units, and the extra DPS very often tips battles in T1 games, then there are the very nice quirks in later units; such as the Loyalist being a mobile tactical missile defense, and the fighter/bombers having lock-on missiles giving them severe advantage with direct attacks against air. With Cybran it's about knowing the STRANGE things you can do, you sometimes have to abandon conventional thought with them. Mobile Shields might not be given, but the t2 shields go up really quickly; not to mention leaving decievers in static places.

The thing I'll leave off with is the misunderstanding of Cybran stealth. Most people understand Strategic Stealth as a concept, but don't use Tactical Stealth or understand its defensive capability. The difference is outlined here: http://supcom.wikia.com/wiki/Intel

You should be using your stealth abilities LIKE a shield, not just to sneak around.
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby uberge3k » 27 Feb 2012, 21:53

Sunder, try playing Cybran competitively in 1v1.

The only serious Cybran 1v1 player is TAG_ROCK, and he's all-but abandoned them because they're so weak.

What you say is true, but the simple fact of the matter is that at a high level, those "neat extras" simply don't make up for the faction's glaring omissions.
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby Sunder » 27 Feb 2012, 21:59

I am currently playing Cybran in ranked 1v1, I'm new to FaF but an old player on GPGnet. There is a good chance Cybran have been abandoned at top level play not because they're weak but the managability is much lower than the other factions; the lower health the Cybran have is often irritating for people, because you have to use a lot of micro rather than the macro that most people are used to in this particular game. Plus, the majority of people don't use tactical stealth or quirks enough to really make them understand the danger the Cybrans pose. Cybrans used to be called OP!

I think the change in attitudes of how to the play the game are causing the argument; the Cybran are just quirky and if you're a conventional player, they're not suited for you.
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Re: Is Cybran weak in general?

Postby Pavese » 27 Feb 2012, 23:09

Cybran; "f***! Why am I so broken and have no shields? AEON OP!"
UEF: "f***! Why is Lobo the only good unit i have?! Aeon OP!"






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