Seraphim T3 Mobile Shield

[lebensnebel]

Isn't this the case for all higher tier units: hp per mass or dps per mass is always worse. Because it's a big advantage to have much power concentrated in one unit.
Everytime I saw t3 sera shield used they made a huge impact. They will become imba very fast if cost is reduced more than a small amount.

[TAG_ROCK]

Shields are already OP - all of them.

As a Cybran player all I can do vs a wall of percies, harbs, sera tanks with shields is play defensive, or run away.

Megalith works, but having to depend on the costly experimental breaks the flow kinda.

Aeon disruptor should be given to Cybran and all is fine I think, or make the T3 mobile artillery have a dual function.

[FunkOff]

Cybran has mobile stealth, though, which far exceeds shields in usefulness and is practically free to use (how much does one cost, -25 e?) For one seraphim mobiel generator you can get 8 cybran mobile generators.

[Gowerly]

gc eats shields, too. Literally.

[TAG_ROCK]

Funkoff how can you compare stealth with shields?? I mean stealth has a counter but no counter for cybran against shields. You say EXP is a counter but thats a stretch aint it?

And gowerly Cybran dont have a GC

[Isen]

dont compare how yhotta kills shields with a gc

[uberge3k]

No. No shield buffs. At all. This is pure insanity. Sera T3 shields are already slightly OP as they concentrate so much shielding in a single unit - this makes them very easy to micro as you'll have fewer of them, especially considering it's larger radius.

And comparing stealth to shields is... err... I don't really know what to make of that. You say you can get 8 stealth for the price of one mobile shield... the problem is you can completely negate that stealth gen's effect with a single T1 air scout. Even assuming the Cybran player has loads of flak in it's army that will quickly kill the scout, you still just need to make one every 5-10 seconds and fly it over the same area. Using funk's own calculations he made in chat yesterday, that's (and this is a stretch) -9 mass a second to completely counter stealth.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see a way to completely disable shields for 9 mass a second?

Especially when you consider that you can completely counter stealth with a T3 radar (remember, we're suggesting using experimentals to counter T3 shields, so using a T3 unit to counter a T2 unit shouldn't be out of the question on our side either)... Good thing we have that Anti-Shield Field Generator that uses -2k e but completely disables all shields. Oh wait...

[Gowerly]

you make a lot of assumptions, uber.
e.g.
- for the energy drain the player has making sheilds you aren't, say, gaining air superiority so that he can't scout (also, you can only see the units for the time you have vision over them)
- that the omni for t3 radar is close the battle that is commencing. (granted for aeon they have an ACU upgrade that is super OP for the intel it gives)

I would like to see:
mass for mass fights of pure units verses shielded units (remember, some of the mass for the shielded units must go into power for making the shields).
Winner decides whether shields are OP (also we might be able to calculate the optimal shield/unit ratio if one exists)