Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Operation Rescue

2020-04-24T02:25:11+02:00

Thanks for making the mission! I was bored and not feeling competitive sooo played through- and abused the triggers.

Found if I kept (1) Mantis up, I could nearly infinitely prepare for the rest of the mission. It could have a timer or something to prevent this.

Had both mex's t3 and two t3 resource farms in place before triggering it.

Statistics: Posted by Printer — 24 Apr 2020, 02:25

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-08-28T20:28:13+02:00

With the recent FAF change to the overcharge cannon a single power storage unit isn't enough anymore to deal with T3 units. Maybe add another power storage unit. It'd also be beneficial to move the power storage units so that they don't connect from the left but from the top to the T2 power generator, as to the left they block the build space that's perfect for a T2 shield generator that can protect the civ structures from the initial bomber attacks.

Other scripts for the map may still launch even if the player was already defeated (map expansion, new objectives assigned) - dying to the T3 bots due to the overcharge change on the 1st attack wave but "defeating" the attack waves due to nuke explosion.

Upon truck spawns the trucks still drive right into incoming enemy attack waves before there exists a signal to control them, which is as if they're trying to suicide. It'd help if they'd wait behind the defenses or drive to the city center instead of right to there where enemy land and air units are attacking.

The AI stops all it's land attacks once the truck escort quest starts. The nothern base also switches to passive while there's no reason for that. Instead of turning off all land unit attack routines the AI could switch to a different strategy and make use of the cliffs: bring some T2 (easy / normal) / T3 (normal, hard) siege units there, along with some AA / AG units defending them, to attack the player structures below. Would need a simple move to order though as otherwise there'd be pathfinding issues with units trying to move down from the cliffs.

Upon the player's death the Cybran Commander still does his taunt even if dead already.

Statistics: Posted by Idontknowman — 28 Aug 2018, 20:28

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-08-02T13:47:18+02:00

I have made a list of issues on our repository about my mission. Please let me know if I have missed anything. You can check it out here: https://github.com/FAForever/faf-coop-maps/issues/335

Statistics: Posted by JJ173 — 02 Aug 2018, 13:47

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-08-01T15:49:53+02:00

Hello all, thank you so much for your impressive and incredibly useful feedback. I'm currently working on implementing changes and figuring out any issues that may be causing the mission to freeze after the first round of dialogue. A new update will be available soon.

Statistics: Posted by JJ173 — 01 Aug 2018, 15:49

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-07-07T16:26:50+02:00

Ecthelon wrote:
Tried twice. First map expansion didn't occur either time. Waited until min 15.

Please read the first post about how to make a proper report.

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 07 Jul 2018, 16:26

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-07-07T15:34:26+02:00

Tried twice. First map expansion didn't occur either time. Waited until min 15.

Statistics: Posted by Ecthelon — 07 Jul 2018, 15:34

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-07-05T11:44:20+02:00

Wallace wrote:
Hi,

Have we the same clock? Five bombers T1 destroy at least 1 stuff, T2 is coming after 3min 20 and T3 at 3min 40.... With arty T1… You have just the time to build 2T1 PD and 1T1 anti air or build a T1 factory and build 1 T1 arty…

So I am so much a rooky to play this mission. I do not think it is the goal.

share the replay?

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 05 Jul 2018, 11:44

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-07-02T21:09:43+02:00

Hi,

Have we the same clock? Five bombers T1 destroy at least 1 stuff, T2 is coming after 3min 20 and T3 at 3min 40.... With arty T1… You have just the time to build 2T1 PD and 1T1 anti air or build a T1 factory and build 1 T1 arty…

So I am so much a rooky to play this mission. I do not think it is the goal.

Statistics: Posted by Wallace — 02 Jul 2018, 21:09

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-05-30T14:04:04+02:00

SO i plaed it like 58 times and still die anyways on easy but i have found some annoying misbehaving.

Sometimes the first trigger to expand the mission area does not work and im stuck on an empty map.
Getting killed by monkeyloards does not always remove the black bars from cinematic so i can not access the menu after death.
It might be possible to kill the jammer before scouting it and this might prevent the trigger. *Watched the replay was not destroyed.

Anyways i never was cabel to destroy the jammer and got to the last part only once.
Im searching for replays and logs can not find the right ones.

Statistics: Posted by Hex3Dnones — 30 May 2018, 14:04

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-02-14T19:52:31+02:00

Tested it on hard and replayed it several times for testing, solo.

Overall:
Though start, critical combined attack of a spider bot attack wave and some T3 bombers but after that somewhat anti climatic but one of the rare missions the AI uses a nuke.

Beginning:
Story related the stealth generator needs to be at a different spot (to the left of the UEF outpost structure that needs to be protected) to actually cover the base, at least, while the mass extractor and the 2 structures next to it would still be visible to enemy radar then, technically.

For being able to construct shields that can cover all the civilian structures at the top and bottom right side of the base it'd help if the energy storage the player is granted at the start would be at a different spot: not west but north of the T2 power generator, so it's not blocking the construction of a T2 shield that can cover all the civilian structures at the bottom.

The facility should also transfer control over it's walls and T1 def to the commander.
The T1 def to avoid friendly fire issues (allied T1 AA causes friendly fire to a T2 shield built right next to it, resulting in damaging & destroying it). The walls to be able to use selfdestruct whenever they're causing pathfinding issues, are in the way of a construction project or cut off a convenient path.
Doing so wouldn't change what the player starts with but help avoiding some issues.

For the start the UEF outpost faction should get a cheated economy boost once, to fill their storage units to 100%. So that it doesn't just drive around, ignoring the player's stuff but can start assisting right from the start, which it doesn't do currently due to being low on mass, appearently.

A move order button for the initial T1 engineers of the UEF outpost ally would be nice. It'd help getting them out of danger and assigned to construction projects / repairs. Meant to work like that: Once arriving they assume their route, making them support whatever is close and then they're on their patrol route again.

The terrain is an issue: It's too uneven, which causes issues when trying to find a good spot to build up something and also issues with ground to ground defenses trying to attack anything but hitting the terrain instead (including a wasted overcharge shot every now and then that hits the terrain).

For the start it would be nice to be notified that the T1 engineers actually assist the player's construction projects. However they, for some reason, don't support the Commander in being upgraded.

The initial attack wave needs a scenario timer defining how long the player has to deal with it. That's currently missing and creating abuse potential: let a single, weak unit of the initial attack wave life and you can pretty much construct anything before the map first expands and the enemy becomes active.

Further issues with the initial attack waves are terrain and difficulty setting:
-you might want to remove the T3 bots of the last of the intial attack waves on easy difficulty
-terrain may block an overcharge shot, relevant for the wave with the T3 bots; I don't know if there's any working method to tell ahead of it happening where and when a shot will hit the terrain opposed to it's actual target.

After defeating the initial attackers:
Walking right to the marked area doesn't work very well, at least on hard, and I've had far better results with ignoring the spot, despite the mass, for the start.
The air attacks, especially the bombers, are an issue there. So it works best only moving there once shielding and / or AA capability can be provided. Blatantly moving there with the Commander right when ordered is just pain waiting.

If I try to start constructing anything there right when ordered to I'm either overrun by combined air and ground units (only tested on hard) or the civilian outpost is due to my absence there. Having some shields and defenses at the outpost is necessary to be able to leave it without losing it. So waiting for T2 before assigning the objective makes sense.

If I ignore the spot where I'm supposed to go I can life off wreckage good enough to keep the civilian base defended with T2 shields and T2 def. The transition to T3 becomes problematic if doing so due to lack of resources, though.

Find the jammer objective:
A nice touch was the randomization of the jammer's spawn location which can be in either of the two bases.

Outpost defense objective:
No issues found.

Trucks to escort:
The trucks should drive to the city center. There where they move to after spawning, without an option to order them to move elsewhere (as that button is only available a bit later) - that's exactly one of the directions the enemies attack from. With ground and air units. If an enemy force attacks right there at the time the trucks are spawning it's as if they're trying to suicide.

The incoming enemy attack waves:
The arriving spider bot was a huge surprise and actually the most critical moment of the map as it's attack comes combined with some T3 bombers attacking the civilian outpost. Suddenly the enemy was hammering hard with a strong ground experimental and strong air to ground attacks.

As the spider bot also appears on lesser difficulties, like on easy, I'd suggest making it wait for some time at each of it's waypoints (waiting time related to difficulty setting) and only march through on hard. The spider bot will always attack the evac zone to the south but there's no objective tied to making sure the transports survive, just tied to the trucks. Yet, if all transports are destroyed, the mission is lost. Upon all evac transports being destroyed either the spider bot is destroyed or just the message of that event is playing, before losing, without actually having done anything to it, so something's wrong there somewhere - either in dialogue or scripting.

Evac zone:
I manually destroyed all transports but one T1 transport, then brought in the trucks to see what would happen. Turns out the scenario got stuck then. Neither was any truck transported nor was the scenario lost. To avoid that issue multiple solutions are possible. As the objective only states to protect the trucks, not the transports, a better design would be to make sure at least x amount of T2 transports are in the evac area:

Any T2 transport brought to the evac zone by the player should simply transfer control over to the evac team, unless they already have enough transports. And if enough T2 transports and the trucks are within the evac zone the evacuation should start. Better set all UEF civilian transports and trucks to immune to damage at that point to avoid further issues.

During that evac mission phase the AI is also pretty tame: No major attacks and far less attacks in both numbers and frequency against the outpost or the player base to the north east. During that phase it's possible to build up anything, mostly undisturbed. The sole threat are the multiple T3 bombers that rarely attack but aside from those it became pretty silent.

The AI really needs to make an effort at the evac passage to try to block it off, should at all times continue it's attacks, like it did before, and start becoming more and more aggressive, not more tame all of a sudden. In general the AI should use more siege units, at least after the evac part, and eventually also try to advance to make use of the cliffs. An experimental sent towards the player base every now and then during the last mission part wouldn't be wrong either. Map expansion to the left to explore what's there remains a desired option.

Other stuff:
Killing the Cybran Commander shouldn't just be an objective after being done with the evac but right then when it's possible to not run in the awkward situation of already having done so before receiving the objective to do it (despite that not causing any objective issues but actually working flawlessly - might as well assign the objective earlier then).
The left side of the map is never expanded despite Cybran reinforcement arriving from there multiple times. Yet everyone is acting like "Enemies are defeated." once all relevant objectives have been achieved despite clearly indicated enemy presence there.
It's possible to construct a quantum gate right next to the UEF outpost's main structure, which makes the escort and evacuate part seem obsolete then. To avoid that the option to construct a quantum gate should not exist until the trucks have been evacuated.
Text messages sometimes disappear too fast. Needs some standardized text message display time depending on the text shown.
Upon losing the commander there's never a "game over" end to the mission. Mission control is terminated but no "game over" shows. This is the case after the first map expansion, before that it works flawlessly but after that it no longer does.
Blowing up the enemy ACU doesn't cause all of it's structures (including walls) and units to selfdestruct. Rather the ACU is treated like just another unit. Imo Commander death should mean all the remaining units hit their selfdestruct, unless I'm missing something.

Another idea related to FAF came to mind: C&C Red Alert addon missions had text briefings to introduce their story and objectives. That'd be a nice feature for FAF scenarios: Some simple html page for mission introduction, eventually with some images to illustrate the situation. Currently only a few lines of text are crammed in the custom missions UI and there's no briefing or anything like it.

Statistics: Posted by Idontknowman — 14 Feb 2018, 19:52

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-02-03T13:05:39+02:00

Black_Master wrote:
found a new and a old bug. I have hosted the game
-units still stacking at base in north.
-my buddy had builded a quantum gateway before we send in the civilian trucks to the exit. This caused to explode a instant nuke in our base without any nukes warning. Afterwards 2 nukes were launched with warnings included to the same position.

Thanks, I'll check it out! Were you using any mods at the time? I'll have to check my scripts and post some updates. Also, can you send me your replay?

Statistics: Posted by JJ173 — 03 Feb 2018, 13:05

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-02-02T21:40:13+02:00

found a new and a old bug. I have hosted the game
-units still stacking at base in north.
-my buddy had builded a quantum gateway before we send in the civilian trucks to the exit. This caused to explode a instant nuke in our base without any nukes warning. Afterwards 2 nukes were launched with warnings included to the same position.

Statistics: Posted by Black_Master — 02 Feb 2018, 21:40

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-01-31T15:46:24+02:00

Hi all,

Thank you for your bug reports. We've located the issue and are having a fix pushed to the server. Once this is done, the mission will be playable. Apologies for the delay.

Statistics: Posted by JJ173 — 31 Jan 2018, 15:46

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-01-31T13:54:54+02:00

Hi, I had the same problem as Martin_PL.
The map loads, but nothing else from the mission loads.
I tried without mods too, but same result.
I can't post the log because of file size and posting limits.

Statistics: Posted by mr_gorilla11 — 31 Jan 2018, 13:54

Re: Operation Rescue

2018-01-28T21:17:52+02:00

Link to log.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1wsj47y06ky7mv/game.log?dl=0

Mission doesn't start.

Statistics: Posted by Martin_PL — 28 Jan 2018, 21:17