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Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-06-01T02:52:03+02:00

I've seen it a few times.... with a 5x eco advantage for the floatspam player.

Other than that... huh? No way.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 01 Jun 2019, 02:52

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T12:04:25+02:00

Little Miss Murder wrote:
I'm not going to play the burden of proof game. I've seen it, you've seen it, we have all seen it.

Seen what? Hoverspam winning navy after a complete loss in navy? I haven't seen that. At best I've seen hoverspam delay the enemy land push after he won navy.

So where is this hover on navy win that you're talking about? Just upload one replay and I'll watch it to see how it happens.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 28 May 2019, 12:04

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:32:06+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
Obviously it’s an uphill battle; that’s the point. You got greedy and didn’t invest in units and now you’re facing the punishment for your greed.

Tell that to the opponent who got his butt whupped in navy and resorts to hoverspam. The point is that he or she has that option. Whether it succeeds or not is entirely irrelevant. The option is there and that means it has a non-zero chance of success. Compare that to the Cybran option when faced with a similar situation....?

*crickets*

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 10:32

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:28:12+02:00

I'm not going to play the burden of proof game. I've seen it, you've seen it, we have all seen it.

It also isnt as simple as that. Floaty spam has an offensive value that goes beyond just contesting navy; frigate spam stays in the water and so it is a one-horse resource investment gambit. Same with using air as a counter.

You seem to be under the impression that I am asserting that Cybran dont have naval tools. Nothing is further from the truth. What IS missing is an equivalent back-into-the-water play and the fact that torps are of no use against hover.

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 10:28

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:17:00+02:00

point me to the replays of riptides winning navy? Or blaze + shields winning back navy? Any high level replay is gonna involve torps crushing for that to be even conceivable. Lower rated replays would maybe see success because the aggressive player overestimated his projection capability or didn’t micro.

Dunno how I’m making your point for you. Because you make HARMS in the water? So what? Because you make frigs after getting back into the water? Yeah? That’s what every faction would do barring incredible zthuee spam?

Obviously it’s an uphill battle; that’s the point. You got greedy and didn’t invest in units and now you’re facing the punishment for your greed.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 28 May 2019, 10:17

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:12:11+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
You contest hover tanks with frigates not your own hover tanks.

HARMS allow cybran to get back into the water quicker and often for less mass investment than mass zthuee so that they can spam their excellent frig to deal with new shit.

Critical number of frigs to stop hover = 1

You are only making my point for me. You need to be in the water to win it. Once you are high and dry it is an uphill battle.

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 10:12

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:10:48+02:00

PS Ive suggested in the past that Wagners become submersible boaty things in the water but, quelle surprise, the idea is laughed at.

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 10:10

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:10:41+02:00

You contest hover tanks with frigates not your own hover tanks.

HARMS allow cybran to get back into the water quicker and often for less mass investment than mass zthuee so that they can spam their excellent frig to deal with new shit.

Critical number of frigs to stop hover = 1

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 28 May 2019, 10:10

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:06:55+02:00

It doesnt help you contest floaty spam. There are no tools for that except air and that is a money pit while your opponent spams reclaim engies at leisure.

The fact of the matter is that Cybran can only win navy if they are already in the water and have enough critical numbers to combat floatiness to begin with.

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 10:06

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T10:02:21+02:00

ZeRen wrote:
FtXCommando wrote:Ever hear of this amazing tool called HARMS and the absurdity of nano repair cybran sacu? Who said cybran has best cruiser? You sure you’re arguing with people that opened sup com before?

ehm, how you will build HARM when you are not in water

Pretty easy to get enough buildpower to finish it before frigs/destro can kill it on naval 20x20s.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 28 May 2019, 10:02

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T09:56:44+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
Ever hear of this amazing tool called HARMS and the absurdity of nano repair cybran sacu? Who said cybran has best cruiser? You sure you’re arguing with people that opened sup com before?

HARMS is my go to strategy for killing floaty spam. Wins me a gaems everytime

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 09:56

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T09:53:33+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
Ever hear of this amazing tool called HARMS and the absurdity of nano repair cybran sacu? Who said cybran has best cruiser? You sure you’re arguing with people that opened sup com before?

ehm, how you will build HARM when you are not in water

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 28 May 2019, 09:53

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T09:53:02+02:00

Little Miss Murder wrote:
Cybran have no reliable tools for getting back in the water. Ive moaned about this endlessly but the response is always some sophistry about best frigates salems best cruisers git gud bla bla bla.

The torp upgrade for the com is, frankly, rubbish and only useful when you're in a pinch. Like tele, it also sets you up for being sniped.

yup, you right, there are more balance problems with Cyb, like shitty ACU, soon even in late game( telezater got nerf, but some how is still "OP"), if you are pushed out of water, I wish good luck, you gonna need it

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 28 May 2019, 09:53

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T09:49:15+02:00

Ever hear of this amazing tool called HARMS and the absurdity of nano repair cybran sacu? Who said cybran has best cruiser? You sure you’re arguing with people that opened sup com before?

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 28 May 2019, 09:49

Re: Commander naval weapon

2019-05-28T09:45:40+02:00

Cybran have no reliable tools for getting back in the water. Ive moaned about this endlessly but the response is always some sophistry about best frigates salems best cruisers git gud bla bla bla.

The torp upgrade for the com is, frankly, rubbish and only useful when you're in a pinch. Like tele, it also sets you up for being sniped.

Statistics: Posted by Little Miss Murder — 28 May 2019, 09:45