Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-27T17:36:27+02:00

I mean
Surely you should be reading your posts before you post them and be able to determine "This post will spark some rage from the person i am speaking to"

Here's an example:

Morax wrote:
This is why I don't like how you and Tokyto operate: you expect people to come to you; you need to be proactive and ask people to assist you.

And here is a thing that might make you feel the same way as JA but i didn't say until now because i didn't read this thread:

The General Mapping Survey didn't give anything useful
It only looked like it gave feedback to you, because you were too new to the scene to notice common responses to released maps

You got either A: the standard asks from a map that a player wanted (for example, keyser will always mention/req uw mexes)

Morax wrote:
1) Increase the reward for successful raiding.
2) Decrease reclaim totals so territory control is more important

This is common ask number one, everyone wants this, no matter what you do, or how many maps you create

The others didn't really know what they want (one guy said he liked large spawn distances and then in the next question wanted hard ffa maps so he could punish players that flew too far away)

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by biass — 27 Jul 2017, 17:36

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-27T17:19:32+02:00

Could a mod delete this thread? It serves no purpose

I've issued an apology to jagged in light of this...

Bad day and he was brought into a mix of rage : /

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 27 Jul 2017, 17:19

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T22:56:21+02:00

It doesn't even seem worthwhile to care...

I can't even describe how disappointing it is to try when it's all based around a dying veteran population

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 26 Jul 2017, 22:56

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T20:24:58+02:00

Morax wrote:
As to Mel_Gibson's screenshot, it is a little concerning about dedication considering it has taken this long.

I would just like to clarify, my post was in no way aimed at Jagged. I have no doubts about Jagged's commitment, on the contrary in fact, I'm a big fan of Jagged as can be seen by the enshrinement of him in my !topwords. I was merely shitposting as usual. Aim small, miss small. Freedom. Peace up. A town down.

Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 26 Jul 2017, 20:24

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T18:43:38+02:00

there are some ideas
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#t3land

and you know its done, now. Same as year, 2 years in past, not "after one next patch we are thinking about..." Its already done not in 2037

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 26 Jul 2017, 18:43

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T18:43:00+02:00

what's going to happen to uef late game if t3 land gets nerfed. at the moment what makes uef a viable option against the other factions, which all have grate late game experimentals, cybren has crab aeon has GC and fim can use the chicken ( although it's widely known that fim late game is pretty awful(which I hope will be addressed by making t3 fim land better) is the Percival's effectiveness against close fire experimentals if t3 land gets nerfed the Percy will not be a viable option to act as a buffer/ shield for fatboys to do damage. If t3 land is nerfed in some way ( which I think it should be ) then the uef really need a direct fire experimental.

Statistics: Posted by doctor brachman — 26 Jul 2017, 18:43

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T18:37:31+02:00

Statistics: Posted by doctor brachman — 26 Jul 2017, 18:37

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T15:52:17+02:00

If you need replays to be posted of how people still dismiss t2 land for Cybran and Aeon in favor of going t1 --> t3 then something is wrong.

Also, look at my post in mapping on "General Forged Alliance Mapping Survey." That thread is surprisingly clean in feedback and gold-rich in information.

You should be able to do something like that if you are going to hold a position as councillor.

I'd rather map and create content as it's a huge issue in the game where there are not really much to choose from. If you want though, let's discuss some feedback you want from the community to gauge what is happening.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 26 Jul 2017, 15:52

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T14:58:28+02:00

If I was motivated to work on balance the minimum I would do is contact the balance councilor. In fact that's exactly what I did when Zock was balance councilor. When I was made councilor I did ask people to join the team but I am not going to message people constantly to get them involved. If they have a genuine interest then I'm sure they can contact me, I'm not difficult to get a hold of.

You specifically have contacted me about certain issues for example about a certain unit. You said you believed there was a problem with unit whether it was too good or didn't work as it should etc. I suggested you do some tests to display the problem and that was the last I heard about it. This is not unusual really but there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not going to hound people to contribute, it won't achieve anything.

Organisation is not my greatest strength and organising people to do testing is extremely difficult for obvious reasons, just look at tournaments. And that's just organising games, not work.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 26 Jul 2017, 14:58

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T14:38:46+02:00

JaggedAppliance wrote:
I'm just gonna call bollocks on this one. No one has contacted me wanting to get involved with balance in months. If anyone would like to contact me, please do. I would love more help.

This is why I don't like how you and Tokyto operate: you expect people to come to you; you need to be proactive and ask people to assist you.

Say I were to volunteer and help test: what would you have me do?

Would you have a day and time or agree to play the balance beta in sandbox and actual 1v1 matches?

You are using very vague responses and it sounds like you are afraid to alter "this great game."

I think it's a bit much to get precise details out of a post like this yet I'm upset I have to write such aggressive statements toward you to get anything at all.

I wish you well but it's very transparent how you operate.

And for the record, I'd be very happy to help test for a couple hours a week. I still want to finish that Bermuda game where I unfortunately lost internet... It was fun : /

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 26 Jul 2017, 14:38

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T14:22:01+02:00

Recently there has been little work on t3 land, once the next patch is done it will have my full attention. At that point I will write a detailed outline of what is proposed based on work and testing already completed and take in ideas from everyone who is willing to give them because this change will have a large impact on the game. The difficulty with changing anything in this game is that everything in the system is interlinked. So with such a large change as rebalancing many units will have a certain predictable direction, the exact consequences cannot be foreseen without huge testing. I appreciate that the t3 land rebalance is almost an ancient prophecy at this stage but it's a lot of work and it is daunting to make such a change to this great game.

I think there are people far more motivated to work balance and try new ideas faster than you.

I'm just gonna call bollocks on this one. No one has contacted me wanting to get involved with balance in months. If anyone would like to contact me, please do. I would love more help.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 26 Jul 2017, 14:22

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T14:08:45+02:00

Well, I agree that it's a bit bind; however, could you please enlighten very myself and to others as to exactly how how much time you think is reasonable to get this addressed?

I won't accept "we are complainers or impatient" as people like Farmsletje are writing very detailed posts on balance ideas.

Your substance is this: write to us your thought process instead of showing up every once in awhile to give release updates, please.

For years I have barely been able to get a reply other than "it's complicated" from Zock and yourself in why t3 is so tough.

What kind of testing are you doing? Surely to must be playing games. I did some beta tests in sandbox with Nexus and Turin to your request, only to find it was done in highly ideal situations.

Is that still your method?

I think there are people far more motivated to work balance and try new ideas faster than you.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 26 Jul 2017, 14:08

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T14:01:16+02:00

Morax wrote:
It's really a question of dedication as I have sincere doubts the "pledge" is being honored by said councillor.

You ought to give your post some substance if you want to question my dedication.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 26 Jul 2017, 14:01

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-26T13:08:18+02:00

It's not bad if people are actually reporting bugs, but as it's shown above it has been 4 years...

It's really a question of dedication as I have sincere doubts the "pledge" is being honored by said councillor.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 26 Jul 2017, 13:08

Re: Any ideas for t3 land yet?

2017-07-25T23:33:51+02:00

there is some tester reporting some bugs in beta; releasing fully broken patch would just increase the rage of people on faf, i'm not sure this is what we want to do. (at least we limit a little bit the number of bugs with beta) + have some report of people and change balance if necessary (but it's unlikely since only few people play beta)

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 25 Jul 2017, 23:33