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Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-07-10T01:27:05+02:00

Reading the first post in this thread:

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 10 Jul 2017, 01:27

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-07-08T12:29:04+02:00

Oh, what do you mean by alpha damage ?

And personally I like Sera, but I think their navy is quite weak from T1 to T3, what makes them as good as the other factions ? Btw I saw i this thread someone saying Sera destroyers never miss but when you move/turn and fire the lasers take a little time to aim if you know what I mean.

Statistics: Posted by CSI — 08 Jul 2017, 12:29

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-07-07T19:48:03+02:00

I mean, pretty sure they're the worst Destro overall. That's OK. In return for weaker T2 Navy, UEF gets much stronger T3 Navy. That's the theory anyway.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 07 Jul 2017, 19:48

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-07-07T19:24:47+02:00

UEF destro's have the highest alpha dmg. You can also combine them with OP shieldboats to make them stronger.

That doesn't mean they're good, but they're not as useless as everyone thinks.

Also cybran destroyers have a major drawback of not be able to shoot backwards.

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 07 Jul 2017, 19:24

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-07-07T18:07:28+02:00

Can someone explain me how UEF destroyers are worth the same price as Cybran's ?

EDIT : Well they have more HP but still

Statistics: Posted by CSI — 07 Jul 2017, 18:07

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T21:15:48+02:00

Farmsletje wrote:
Can you post a replay with that happening?

I'm sorry, I feel really stupid.

I watched those replays to find where it is happening. I got killed by Sirens, not Salems. The second time I did get killed by Salems but I started dodging too late (was in nano upgrade and thought it would finish sooner, netting HP and regen to survive) and also messed up the dodge micro. Sirens where also in the mix.

Statistics: Posted by SpoCk0nd0pe — 26 Jun 2017, 21:15

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T18:53:58+02:00

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
The seraphim never misses

Maybe a bit offtopic, but I feel inclined to point out that this advantage very often doens't apply to land targets, because - like with most beam weapons - elevation is a b*tch. Sometimes the beam hits the ground in front of the target/is stopped by a hill, sometimes it overshoots.

Spoiler: show

Offtopic, just wanted to point it out.

Statistics: Posted by Yakmann — 26 Jun 2017, 18:53

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T18:31:28+02:00

Be careful what you wish for in naval balance. Changing one thing really messes up the entire naval gameplay.

Cybran navy is at its best in the T2 stage because of how the salem works, in combination with frigates and stealth boats. Nerf it and Cybran may lose the edge they need in T2 to prevent large scale T3, where the UEF easily outclasses Cybran.

Destroyers are no snipe tools but the salem is best there simply because of the RoF. BTW: if it's two destroyers firing at your ACU you've seriously overextended yourself and you're going to die. The seraphim never misses, the UEF packs an incredible punch and can hit quite well. The Cybran misses shots but the RoF makes up for it and Aeon, well you can dodge that one, admittedly. If you're caught underwater, 2 destroyers will kill you very quickly.

These things are expensive. 2250 mass, or 43 T1 tanks. If you're caught by those, you'll die as well. Being sniped by destroyers isn't a good argument for nerfing them.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 26 Jun 2017, 18:31

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T17:10:07+02:00

IMHO the muzzle velocity of the Exodus should be increased (like Omen Class). Because dodging them is really way too easy.

You need 3 or more to be effective against Salems and this is a real problem on smaller water maps.

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 26 Jun 2017, 17:10

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T16:44:00+02:00

It's a common myth that salems are the best

They'd be complete trash if there was no such thing as stealth sonar, frigates, or mermaids

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 26 Jun 2017, 16:44

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T16:13:22+02:00

I will as soon as I get home (editing this post). I might only be able to provide one or two on Seton's though, because those on Paradise Bay are older and will be broken by the recent patches.

Statistics: Posted by SpoCk0nd0pe — 26 Jun 2017, 16:13

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T15:58:42+02:00

Can you post a replay with that happening?

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 26 Jun 2017, 15:58

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T15:57:22+02:00

If the girl with the anime is for it, it's obviously is a terrible change that must be made illegal immediately...

I finally understand how things work around here.

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 26 Jun 2017, 15:57

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T15:37:33+02:00

Salem is my nr. 1 cause of death when playing land spots on naval maps. I love pushing with my ACU.

There is no other T2 unit as dangerous when pushing land. I can get flak vs corsairs and mercies and just kill other T2 and T1 land. Frigates can be outrun, cruisers can easily be dodged. But if I overlook navy allies loosing, 2 or 3 Salems get at 2/3 of their range of your ACU, I am dead. I can't OC it, I can't outrun it and it is really hard to dodge.

I just think that the Salem is way to deadly for a T2 unit (I'm talking full vet nano t3 Sera com). Especially since it's not a risky investment into a snipe weapon.

Statistics: Posted by SpoCk0nd0pe — 26 Jun 2017, 15:37

Re: Reduce Salem Muzzle Velocity

2017-06-26T15:12:27+02:00

Salems are really good against navy and hover-- but killing ACU's? Very rare, especially considering how vulnerable they are to massed units when on land. They really aren't a sniping tool and don't need nerfs for that reason.

Statistics: Posted by Zeldafanboy — 26 Jun 2017, 15:12