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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-27T20:55:25+02:00

Gitaxian wrote:
IceDreamer wrote:We have constraints:

No new units, you can only work with what we have
Transport ship can't be done viably due to code restraints
Must fit into factional themes

Can you come up with ideas given those constraints?

The Riptide can be a surface unit in water and a regular tank on land, (coding sho
The Riptide can be a surface unit in water and a regular tank on land, (coding should be possible since the Salem is a thing) rather than being a hover unit. Give it some slight buffs to make up for being vulnerable to torpedoes. Make it the toughest amphibious unit but with none of the bonus immunity to certain weapons the others have.uld be possible since the Salem is a thing) rather than being a hover unit. Give it some slight buffs to make up for being vulnerable to torpedoes. Make it the toughest amphibious unit but with none of the bonus immunity to certain weapons the others have.

It's the Seraphim that are tricky, but I'd be happy just seeing the Riptide changed to be something more interesting.

Nah, Riptide is not a boat, see engineers as example, they navigate through water but Riptide dont touch it

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 27 Jun 2017, 20:55

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-27T16:52:32+02:00

IceDreamer wrote:
We have constraints:

No new units, you can only work with what we have
Transport ship can't be done viably due to code restraints
Must fit into factional themes

Can you come up with ideas given those constraints?

The Riptide can be a surface unit in water and a regular tank on land, (coding should be possible since the Salem is a thing) rather than being a hover unit. Give it some slight buffs to make up for being vulnerable to torpedoes. Make it the toughest amphibious unit but with none of the bonus immunity to certain weapons the others have.

It's the Seraphim that are tricky, but I'd be happy just seeing the Riptide changed to be something more interesting.

Statistics: Posted by Gitaxian — 27 Jun 2017, 16:52

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-27T06:43:47+02:00

EvanGalea wrote:
MayorDamage wrote:just give the wagner a surface button like submarines, ez balance and much diversity no troll

We should let their t1 sub travel on land too. Also we can let them into transports and have air-sub ghetto gunships.

So the subs will shot down at land units with the deck gun, and use torpedoes from the air to attack enemy subs. Sub ghetto gunships for the win.

!!!!!!

Imagine a air transport that can ferry ships. "I'll pick up my summit class and move it to the lake over here." Seems like some Red Alert 2 style BS. LOL.

Statistics: Posted by Nepty — 27 Jun 2017, 06:43

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-27T05:47:34+02:00

MayorDamage wrote:
just give the wagner a surface button like submarines, ez balance and much diversity no troll

We should let their t1 sub travel on land too. Also we can let them into transports and have air-sub ghetto gunships.

Statistics: Posted by Evan_ — 27 Jun 2017, 05:47

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-27T05:10:59+02:00

MayorDamage wrote:
just give the wagner a surface button like submarines, ez balance and much diversity no troll

You have any idea how ridiculously OP this unit would be? xDDDD

Statistics: Posted by This_Guy — 27 Jun 2017, 05:10

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-27T02:06:55+02:00

How is giving the wagner a way to avoid the hard counter to hover spam (frigates) balanced?

I guess we should give UEF t3 transports a SAM on their back as well Kappa.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 27 Jun 2017, 02:06

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-26T22:52:23+02:00

just give the wagner a surface button like submarines, ez balance and much diversity no troll

Statistics: Posted by MayorDamage — 26 Jun 2017, 22:52

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-26T22:20:41+02:00

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Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 26 Jun 2017, 22:20

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-26T22:07:27+02:00

Gitaxian wrote:
For example, why not give the UEF a transport ship instead of a hover unit? I'm arguing we solve the OP's problem in a way that doesn't involve buffing Cybran or nerfing other factions.

That sounds like a way of "changing" that would transform large portions of the game into something completly different, stripping old units (UEF/Sera Hover - while the Zthuee is pretty much a trademark Seraphim unit) and introducing new ones ("transport ship") - that does not sound realistic, especially not if we transfer this principle to other unit types that might be in a similar spot to hover. It sounds like you want to redesign the whole game.

Statistics: Posted by Yakmann — 26 Jun 2017, 22:07

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-26T22:05:27+02:00

We have constraints:

No new units, you can only work with what we have
Transport ship can't be done viably due to code restraints
Must fit into factional themes

Can you come up with ideas given those constraints?

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 26 Jun 2017, 22:05

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-26T21:29:33+02:00

IceDreamer wrote:
An interesting point, but talking in purely game design terms as you are, where does one draw the line between a faction having a negative diversity element, and two factions having parallel resultant diversity when one aspect of negative diversity is directly compensated by an aspect of positive diversity.

Cybran does not have T2 Hover
Nobody other than Cybran has T2 seabed assault/sneak capability

It can be argued that Wagners are actually better, fundamentally, than the three hovertanks, for actually winning the game. They are fast, strong, and sneaky AF, which is what Cybran are all about. Is the Wagner a lack of a Hovertank, or is it a unique unit. Should the other factions be given sneaky bottom-huggers?

The Wagner is an example of positive diversity, yes. That doesn't change the fact that three factions having hover is negative diversity.

Let me put it another way: It would be better for diversity if everyone had a unique method of amphibious assault rather than just the Cybran. The Cybran have the Wagner, the Aeon keep hover, the UEF and Seraphim get their own unique method of filling that niche. For example, why not give the UEF a transport ship instead of a hover unit? I'm arguing we solve the OP's problem in a way that doesn't involve buffing Cybran or nerfing other factions.

Statistics: Posted by Gitaxian — 26 Jun 2017, 21:29

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-25T01:51:59+02:00

New units are not needed. Particularly not a unit that is just a carbon hover unit copy.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 25 Jun 2017, 01:51

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-25T01:16:48+02:00

To mantain the game original diversity, maybe a small than a Cybran frigate model, a
gunboat with legs could be created.Smaller the suficient to be built in the land factory and battle with surface hover foes.

Statistics: Posted by vongratz — 25 Jun 2017, 01:16

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-24T22:51:56+02:00

Farmsletje wrote:
Somehow people think uef actually has hover

bruh. theyre the best.
https://youtu.be/g4aK097RM8I?t=119
also fixed in equilibrium

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 24 Jun 2017, 22:51

Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

2017-06-24T22:38:56+02:00

Somehow people think uef actually has hover

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 24 Jun 2017, 22:38