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Re: Wassa useless

2017-10-02T16:50:31+02:00

CSI wrote:
Oh yeah you meant mobile artis and mml, true.

But the difference is that land units are slow, they can't just ignore defenses and reach their target like T3 bombers.

Since the balance patches, T3 Bombers have almost the same problem like the wassa, regarding the costs: you can reach everything, but you have to kill a lot to get your costs back (not inlcuding the nice mass gift to enemy team again).

Imo this is just punishing the team wich won air superiority. buffing static T3 aa would make this problem worse.

Statistics: Posted by ABSTRACT — 02 Oct 2017, 16:50

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-25T17:28:09+02:00

Oh yeah you meant mobile artis and mml, true.

But the difference is that land units are slow, they can't just ignore defenses and reach their target like T3 bombers.

Statistics: Posted by CSI — 25 Jul 2017, 17:28

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-25T15:15:53+02:00

CSI wrote:
What's your point ? Artis are not defense builds it's a siege weapon

my point is that if AA is buffed, air units have no real counter to them. On land, there is a unit at each tier that will break a PD of equal tier. That unit does not exist with air or with navy (but navy is a different story)

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 25 Jul 2017, 15:15

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-25T09:02:04+02:00

CSI wrote:
What's your point ? Artis are not defense builds it's a siege weapon

Partly its def build. You can kill fatboys for cheap af price

Statistics: Posted by Masyaka — 25 Jul 2017, 09:02

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-25T01:59:21+02:00

What's your point ? Artis are not defense builds it's a siege weapon

Statistics: Posted by CSI — 25 Jul 2017, 01:59

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-25T01:47:33+02:00

CSI wrote:
Static defenses are always meant to beat easily units of the same level.

The problem with T3 AA is their poor rate of fire + the fact that they all focus the same unit due to the travel time of the projectile.
T3 mobile AA are not bad but the Seraph one has the same problem as static turret.

keep in mind that there isn't an air equivalent of artillery...

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 25 Jul 2017, 01:47

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-24T21:10:55+02:00

Static defenses are always meant to beat easily units of the same level.

The problem with T3 AA is their poor rate of fire + the fact that they all focus the same unit due to the travel time of the projectile.
T3 mobile AA are not bad but the Seraph one has the same problem as static turret.

Statistics: Posted by CSI — 24 Jul 2017, 21:10

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-24T20:03:51+02:00

static AA is never meant to replace air units. It does not need any more buffs!

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 24 Jul 2017, 20:03

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-24T18:52:49+02:00

Static T2 AA got buffed in last balance patch: http://content.faforever.com/patchnotes ... structures

If you think its not enough, you could have a talk with jagged maybe? I'm sure he'll appreciate any feedback.

Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 24 Jul 2017, 18:52

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-24T17:32:46+02:00

CSI wrote:
I think static anti-air should have a buff since t3 air is only vulnerable to t3 AA, these defenses have low ROF while air units are spammable

there are also cruisers or t3 maa wich u can move.

also, i dont think that would keep games open if u buff static defenses.

Statistics: Posted by ABSTRACT — 24 Jul 2017, 17:32

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-24T16:00:41+02:00

I think static anti-air should have a buff since t3 air is only vulnerable to t3 AA, these defenses have low ROF while air units are spammable

Statistics: Posted by CSI — 24 Jul 2017, 16:00

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-22T22:47:07+02:00

It has the same problem as any air experimental. 20-25 asfs and it's dead in 5 seconds. Changing values on it won't deal with the systemic issue that air combat really has.

It's either a totally uncounterable tool when a team has air advantage. Or it's a useless mass donation when air is contested.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 22 Jul 2017, 22:47

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-22T19:55:24+02:00

ABSTRACT wrote:
It can onehit com
T1 com (aeon and cybran), yes

and drops any shields in 1 hit
T2 shield (except aeon and cybran ED4), yes

You'll need two of those to snipe an unshielded com
better build 25 t3 bomber (!) for about 50% of the costs. (about the same HP and 81k DMG with 1 drop instead of 22k)
ps. will drop every time and u can micro them

ah, right, its dmg is just 11k.

Statistics: Posted by Masyaka — 22 Jul 2017, 19:55

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-22T18:22:53+02:00

It can onehit com

T1 com (aeon and cybran), yes

and drops any shields in 1 hit

T2 shield (except aeon and cybran ED4), yes

You'll need two of those to snipe an unshielded com

better build 25 t3 bomber (!) for about 50% of the costs. (about the same HP and 81k DMG with 1 drop instead of 22k)
ps. will drop every time and u can micro them

Statistics: Posted by ABSTRACT — 22 Jul 2017, 18:22

Re: Wassa useless

2017-07-22T17:47:46+02:00

ABSTRACT wrote:
wassa was expensive but not completely useless until microing/hoverbombing was nerfed in a ridiculous way.
In the most cases it drops now 1-2 bombs before it dies and gives the enemy team a nice mass boost (u need 2 bombs to break shields).
But in comparison to the excessive costs, u need to destroy lots of important things to balance it.

And then... (!) it doesnt drop a bomb every time.

imo not worth m48k, e780k.

It can onehit com (as far as i know) and drops any shields in 1 hit. You'll need two of those to snipe an unshielded com, but yet, again, risk and big mass gift if you fail

Statistics: Posted by Masyaka — 22 Jul 2017, 17:47