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Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-22T14:56:50+02:00

Harms is just something that hurts your micro and apm very much. You have to babysit some of your navy to groundfire them, I literally checked in custom game and it seems almost as if all ships can groundfire harms(I checked Battlecruisers, Cruisers, sera aircraft carrier cruise missiles and even nuke sub cruise missiles not too mention battleships too).

I think we should have a poll whether Harms should be able to get ground fired or not, It would be like a new unit if it couldn't be ground fired. If it gets this buff it should be nerfed on hp and dps a little.

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 22 Feb 2017, 14:56

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-22T13:07:21+02:00

there may be a rework of Harms at some point, test are being done. That would include no possibility to ground fire them, but reduce damage/health and or range.
also i think EQ did a good work on harms, you can check them out too

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 22 Feb 2017, 13:07

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-22T10:40:59+02:00

zeren doesnt reason well, harms deals considerable harm to your opponent's apm, he has to babysit his battleships groundfiring it.

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 22 Feb 2017, 10:40

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-22T08:51:39+02:00

Zeren in a seton open seabattle this is difficult. I played vs petric and he used normal cybran scus to built harms. Everytime i used my uef battleships groundfire harms i lost thousends of damage for several seconds. This was deadly. I lost more and more territory on water, after 10-20 min battle i was pushed back to my harbour. THanks god my team lost faster

You need to units to fire the harms and once they are under water it costs you hell mirco time and damage to kill them. If people would remove the possibility to groundfire such units they would be definately op.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 22 Feb 2017, 08:51

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T21:21:34+02:00

Um ZiniZini wrote:
yeah this is all legit, but under water with that repair upgrade 400 hp/s.... It like tiger tanks under the sea. if he is spamming harms you can forget to kill the scu's as 1 scu with repair upgrade cancels out 400 dps worth of torpedo damage

so another Cybran super OPness?

maybe you should check other factions? ok I give you hint, HARM can be ground fire with almost everything, guess what other faction have? long range cruiser/missile ship, battle ships, Tempest all of this kill HARM super fast

all so HARM is build on surface of water so everything can shoot it

funny thing is that it (if I am not wrong) called "torpedo AMBUSHING system", funny hm? everyone with T3 sonar will see it miles away

and you really here comparing SACU vs. Atlantis? you really thing that in navy fight you have units with combined torp dmg only 400??

I suggest you to stop crying and try to do HARM creep againt decent opponent

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 21 Feb 2017, 21:21

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T20:22:26+02:00

yeah this is all legit, but under water with that repair upgrade 400 hp/s.... It like tiger tanks under the sea. if he is spamming harms you can forget to kill the scu's as 1 scu with repair upgrade cancels out 400 dps worth of torpedo damage

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 21 Feb 2017, 20:22

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T20:12:44+02:00

Yup it win´s against a UEF sACU, but it takes quite a while to be honest. 575 dps vs 400hp/s regen will take some time. But let´s face it how often happen 1 sACU vs 1 sACU fights? Not often! If you take 3 vs 3 then you have a different result. Try it out.
However sACU´s mostly face all kinds of T3 stuff, like harbs, percys, bricks, Othuums, etc.
and they are in groups as you know. So they have slightly more dps than a sACU has (exept the sera, because OVERCHARGE!!! )

In that case, they are not a single little bit better than any other sACU, thats why they have the high regen.

For additional crap:

-Cybran sACU base cost: 2000 mass + nano 2200 mass ---> ~4 percys: 1600 dps
+ Guns 1800 mass ---> ~6 percys : 2400 dps

Guess who wins...
Have fun!

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 Feb 2017, 20:12

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T19:27:12+02:00

Sprengmeister I agree with you its chill bro but, I checked in sandbox game cybran rambo preset wins uef rambo preset, no kidding that 400 hp/s regen upgrade is truely ridiculous, the cybran rambo preset scu survives with like 1-2k hp. No kidding seriously go check it out in a sandbox game, I made sure the uef rambo scu preset had its shield with sufficient energy.

Also I just checked out of curiosity, yes indeed atlantis does 400 dps and cant do squat vs cyb scu with repair, the dps and heal rate cancels out. Only for 2200 mass extra on a scu you can make it next to immortal whilst its beneath water building damn Harms.....

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 21 Feb 2017, 19:27

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T15:48:11+02:00

Um ZiniZini wrote:
Holy F*ck ! this guy sees what im talking about!

Do you think I didn´t know what you mean? I do.

I agree 100% with Iszh, including this:

Iszh wrote:
Cybran scu is not the best rambo scu.

Well, indeed! The UEF is better (more dps, massiv HP thanks to shield) and the sera is also better (overcharge, regen upgrade that increases main HP too, and shield)
The aeon one has good HP as the others, but it lags dps.

To get back to the Cybran:
It has the most HP unupgraded, but who´s going to build an unupgraded sACU nowadays? Upgraded it has the least amount of HP (just base HP) The regen upgrade is "just" a regen upgrade and considering sACU are hitting the field mid T3 earliest, it´s only decent, far away from OP...

The best part in my opinion is the stun gun uprade on it, it´s quit annoying or fun depending on the side you are

Underwater its just simply hard to kill, it´s not invaunerable. It´s usefull for reclaiming wrecks or some poor naval units and to build stuff like harms, which cost a lot of mass...

I hope I could help you out. If not blame me

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 Feb 2017, 15:48

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T13:58:49+02:00

Iszh wrote:
They are undestructable under water those rocks .... atlantis does 400 dps. Tempest has 350 dps not sure if that was changed. Megalith has 350 dps. You can use them for under water reclaim and building harms/sams. With those scus and 8k mass battleships cybran can easily compete with uef summits and neptunes under shield spam.

Holy F*ck ! this guy sees what im talking about!

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 21 Feb 2017, 13:58

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T12:35:06+02:00

They are undestructable under water those rocks .... atlantis does 400 dps. Tempest has 350 dps not sure if that was changed. Megalith has 350 dps. You can use them for under water reclaim and building harms/sams. With those scus and 8k mass battleships cybran can easily compete with uef summits and neptunes under shield spam.

Sure for land fight better to spam ras scus and sent them for reclaim/use them as base builders. Cybran scu is not the best rambo scu.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 21 Feb 2017, 12:35

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T12:03:18+02:00

why is there a random upgrade on cybran scu for 2200 mass/103500 energy for the most hp regen(400 hp/s) in the game? That's my question.

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 21 Feb 2017, 12:03

Re: Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T11:28:08+02:00

Well, as you might could guess, there are reasons for that...
Just ask yourself: How strong is it? Is it stronger than then the others? Is it weaker than the others? Is it somewhere in between?
If you come to a resault, then fine. If not just ask for a detailed explanation and I do it for you.

Your welcome

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 Feb 2017, 11:28

Cybran scu's

2017-02-21T11:17:07+02:00

Any particular reason cybran scu has base hp of 19 000 hp for same cost of scu's from other factions and the repair upgrade(a whopping 400 hp/s?????) costs only 2200 mass and 103500 energy? Sera acu doesnt even have that much hp regen with both restoration aura upgrade and double acu repair upgrade(240 hp/s). Literally cybran scu with repair upgrade of 2200 mass have the most HP regen in the game.

Statistics: Posted by Um ZiniZini — 21 Feb 2017, 11:17