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Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-15T22:23:02+02:00

Frigates also kill HARMS projectiles. Make of that what you will.

Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 15 Jan 2017, 22:23

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-13T08:30:36+02:00

oh also @retardo, is the harms using my model or whatever the hell i did for you again?

Statistics: Posted by biass — 13 Jan 2017, 08:30

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-13T08:23:17+02:00

biass wrote:
"eq exists so we shouldn't try to fix problems with the official balance!" ok

when you try to promote your hard work but you do it in such a way that everyone gets sick of your shit and purposely avoids it
i recommend some more peaceful terrorism

Haha thats exactly what i wanted to say between the lines

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 13 Jan 2017, 08:23

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-13T04:38:57+02:00

This issue is easy to fix, but it must be accepted by balance cancerlor..

When frigates/riptides.. can easy kill submerged harm then its obviously wrong.
So what should we do with it?

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 13 Jan 2017, 04:38

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-13T02:55:26+02:00

"eq exists so we shouldn't try to fix problems with the official balance!" ok

when you try to promote your hard work but you do it in such a way that everyone gets sick of your shit and purposely avoids it
i recommend some more peaceful terrorism

Statistics: Posted by biass — 13 Jan 2017, 02:55

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T22:13:53+02:00

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 12 Jan 2017, 22:13

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T21:55:09+02:00

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Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 12 Jan 2017, 21:55

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T20:48:19+02:00

I've played a decent bit of games with navy units and i wasn't even aware of one frigate being able to beat a t1 Torpedo defense and i've never seen it happen in a game before.
Usually it goes more like -> frig comes in, has to go around a t1 factory and then either start shooting an assisted torp def or the engies next to it -> frig dies and the defending player gets the reclaim.

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 12 Jan 2017, 20:48

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T19:48:34+02:00

uh, he isnt one of them? if anything its you.

the one piece of evidence you provided is skewed towards your point, and still shows the underlying issues, which was the purpose of ithilis showing them in the first place.
your thing proves only that it doesnt happen all the time, sure. that was obvious from the start, right?

whether it happens always, sometimes or most of the time does not invalidate his point that it can happen and that it can also be fixed.

what point are you trying to back up exactly? that naval balance is perfectly fine? that torpedo launchers are great? what, tell us please.

the point ithilis is trying to make is highlighting that there is inconsistency in the behaviour of the units and that its fixed in equilibrium. again, your video, if anything just supports that since it also shows that the outcome of an engagement depends on nonsense like the way the torpedo tube was facing (again, this exact thing is fixed in eq)

likewise, you ignored my comments on this previously, so if anything isnt that cherry picking at its best?

and lastly, the person responsible for making torpedo launcher changes and balancing submarines in equilibrium was me. if you have an issue please discuss it properly, without resorting to "spreading derogatory comments" like "a call to stop with this bullshit."

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 12 Jan 2017, 19:48

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T19:33:31+02:00

Yes, I'm calling you out on cherry picking your examples.
Yes, I'm calling you out on facilitating scenarios that are skewed in your favour.
Yes, I'm calling you out on grasping at straws now that it's been proven.

This is a call to stop with this bullshit.

There are too many people spreading propaganda because they don't like something.
There are too many people spreading misinformation because they think they know right but they don't.
There are too many people spreading derogatory comments because they need to feel better about themselves.

Don't be one of them.

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 12 Jan 2017, 19:33

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T19:05:00+02:00

JoonasTo wrote:
AND SO I DID

Any more you'd like to share?

so to show im cherry-picking you rather pick most weak ?

What i see it that frigate that cost 42% mass as tl die while tl have 25% hp. That seems ok for you?
And also sera destroyers that for 150% of mass against pd get draw. But aeon/uef/probably cybran will easily won. So only one faction that get rekt seems ok for you?

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 12 Jan 2017, 19:05

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T18:58:00+02:00

@exotic
as i told ithilis already, this was just a joke, a little sidekick i apprecicate how much work gets put into eq with rlly nice results. But there are some changes im not rlly a fan of, but we talked about this already

Statistics: Posted by Mephi — 12 Jan 2017, 18:58

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T18:33:01+02:00

AND SO I DID

Any more you'd like to share?

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 12 Jan 2017, 18:33

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T17:43:19+02:00

Why you dont test it by your own and deliver similar videos

JoonasTo wrote:
They're done without proper sonar and/or the launcher facing its gun tube the wrong way(torp launcher range is very important advantage)

As you can see on video i come from tl maximum range. And while it was whiteout fog sonar was not need while it start fire imediatly as i come to range. Stealth on harm is broken, and sonar didnt work against stealth.

JoonasTo wrote:
using cherry picked examples(aeon destro, with best anti-sub dps and tons of health.)

Yes i pick aeon becasue are best on this role, and? It didnt hapend on game that aeon are facing cybrans? Btw cybran should be maybe even better for this role while have torp flares.

JoonasTo wrote:
Even still, two destroyers are 4,5k mass, harms is only 3k

but from this 4,5K mass both survive, try it against submarines 3 t2 sub vs harm, harm win, but its very close. And its pd.

Or try it against frigates. 12 frigates vs harm. how is reasult?

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 12 Jan 2017, 17:43

Re: Frigates able to groundfire harms

2017-01-12T17:42:50+02:00

1. torpedo launcher have a very large firing tolerance so which way its facing doesn't really matter (oh right thats fixed in equilibrium too)
2. the examples shown with the t1 frigate are still correct and the t2 torpedo launcher is in the same boat, except that 2/4 factions can outrange it with destros
3. its not nice to call them propaganda vids, it implies they are to trick you into believing something that is bad to believe in, which isnt the case here.
4. the example with aeon destros is fine because it shows that it can happen. for a harms that cant move and required t3 engineering suite its cost isnt the only cost involved
5. sonar is not relevant since harms stealth is broken anyway - scout it once and it never restealths. btw did you know 2/4 t2 torpedo launchers have stealth?

yes you are correct that uef destros dont win vs harms with their mighty torpedo dps, but coopers do. isnt that nice.

yes thats 4 full hp coopers vs 1 dead harms, sure its 3600m vs 3000 but they took exactly 0 damage, due to proper abuse. if the enemy is paying attention you need to micro a bit more to win like that, but its perfectly possible and kinda is worth it.

in any case we have established that harms creep is a pain in the ass, but not an issue for experienced players, and this is fixed in equilibrium, so whats up with the hostility?

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 12 Jan 2017, 17:42