Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-12-19T02:37:20+02:00

I would like to vote, no HP reductions but it says i have to select something, dont see how that survey captures the veto vote...

Statistics: Posted by Evildrew — 19 Dec 2016, 02:37

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-10T23:20:14+02:00

Morax wrote:
It's not up for a vote in the current system, Lich. Zock is working with Icedreamer and others to flow decisions now and everyone is working to better things for the community. Feedback is being taken.

You know firsthand I don't really like the way things have gone but steps in the right direction are being taken. I promise this as I've now been more exposed to it all.

And you completely missed the fact that Zock did not alone use the 25-participant survey to make these decisions.

Pretty much this. I did the survey autonomously because I was curious what the state of things was. Turns out Zock was already considering what to cut to launch a patch very soon (I did not know this when I made the survey), and the survey largely tallied with what he was already thinking was OK/needed more time.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 10 Nov 2016, 23:20

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-10T17:00:26+02:00

It's not up for a vote in the current system, Lich. Zock is working with Icedreamer and others to flow decisions now and everyone is working to better things for the community. Feedback is being taken.

You know firsthand I don't really like the way things have gone but steps in the right direction are being taken. I promise this as I've now been more exposed to it all.

And you completely missed the fact that Zock did not alone use the 25-participant survey to make these decisions.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 10 Nov 2016, 17:00

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-10T16:44:55+02:00

Zock wrote:
a survey of 25 people can't be a deciding factor about balance changes.

So in other words, you passed the patch without waiting for more people to cast their votes? How nice of you... (*SARCASM*)

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 10 Nov 2016, 16:44

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-10T15:45:38+02:00

Fair play and thanks for the response!

I was just unsure if that 25-response survey all the sudden got used to that level.

Jolly good

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 10 Nov 2016, 15:45

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-10T15:31:29+02:00

This survey had little to do with the release. The patch release was planned since a while, It was just waiting for the PC vote to figure out if the HP nerfs should be included or not. Since it's now unclear when the PC vote will happen again, there was no use in waiting longer.

The survey was discussed and taken into account, and the opinion of 25 people is worth as much as the opinions of everyone else, but as you point out, a survey of 25 people can't be a deciding factor about balance changes.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 10 Nov 2016, 15:31

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-10T15:14:36+02:00

So I noticed the "beta survey" was completed and then the actual release came out quite swiftly.

Explain why it was digested and discussed granted it was only a mere 25 participants?

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 10 Nov 2016, 15:14

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-09T02:16:20+02:00

A bit of fiddling later, we have this: https://github.com/FAForever/fa/commit/ ... 31f857b3bd

The idea is to find a 'safe' patch to release, possibly tomorrow. Contrary to popular belief, Zock cares a great deal about getting it right, and doesn't want to push changes that are highly controversial (HP diversity changes) or just plain not tested enough (Billy, Ythotha). He doesn't like making a change he's not sure about, and has seen enough discussion on it. Sometimes his opinion will differ from yours, but he always makes sure he gets opinions, from everyone he can.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 09 Nov 2016, 02:16

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-09T02:03:55+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
No people happy with balance = no people

No people = no balance

See what I mean?

I honestly don't. Please use full sentences.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 09 Nov 2016, 02:03

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-09T02:00:48+02:00

No people happy with balance = no people

No people = no balance

See what I mean?

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 09 Nov 2016, 02:00

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-08T22:01:47+02:00

Surveys are useful but balance cannot be decided by surveys. Saying it's clear what should be in and out based on this survey is ridiculous and untrue.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 08 Nov 2016, 22:01

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-08T15:44:02+02:00

Exotic_Retard wrote:
just popping here to say, what up with the github?
theres like 43 balance/3662 branches, which one is which?

and what happened to 3660? since the changelog for that is a thing but did it get released or what and with what changes.
the changelog.md and this dont agree, they seem to be talking about different patches
(what the f*** guys, can we stop incrementing patches in even numbers please and do it like human beings as well)

also maybe worth mentioning that all the above is fixed in equilibrium xD
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#acus
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#t4land
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#factories

Patch 3660 is out. They just didn't update the website patchlog thingy. The new branches are my fiddling around with git in response to this survey to form branches without some changes, and to make it easier to add/remove others. Don't worry about it for now.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Nov 2016, 15:44

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-08T13:15:40+02:00

like this ? http://content.faforever.com/patchnotes/3660.html

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 08 Nov 2016, 13:15

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-08T11:40:01+02:00

Hi there, it's nice, that there is a survey, BUT please don't use links to github for such surveys. It confuses non developing people...
Make instead a simple Webpage with the changelog (like Zock did, or simply use his and update the content).

This would be much more "gamer friendly"!

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 08 Nov 2016, 11:40

Re: Current balance beta survey

2016-11-08T10:51:59+02:00

just popping here to say, what up with the github?
theres like 43 balance/3662 branches, which one is which?

and what happened to 3660? since the changelog for that is a thing but did it get released or what and with what changes.
the changelog.md and this dont agree, they seem to be talking about different patches
(what the f*** guys, can we stop incrementing patches in even numbers please and do it like human beings as well)

also maybe worth mentioning that all the above is fixed in equilibrium xD
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#acus
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#t4land
http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#factories

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 08 Nov 2016, 10:51