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Re: Restorers

2016-11-07T18:41:37+02:00

yeah we had this since... january 7th apparently.

original css was made by vee in 2015 or w.e.

also i see what you did there : D

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 07 Nov 2016, 18:41

Re: Restorers

2016-11-07T15:31:50+02:00

it's nice that you did the same as balance team in order to present EQ. It's easier to see change this way.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 07 Nov 2016, 15:31

Re: Restorers

2016-11-07T11:15:33+02:00

well, hue, fixed in equilibrium )

http://equilibrium.x10host.com/changelog/#t3air

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 07 Nov 2016, 11:15

Re: Restorers

2016-11-07T09:50:24+02:00

Your statement doesn t explain if they are fine with their balance or if they need a little nerf or buff.
You can still be an "air superiority fighter" with some nerf of their efficiency.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 07 Nov 2016, 09:50

Re: Restorers

2016-11-07T01:57:47+02:00

Well, they aren't called Air Superiority Fighters for no reason, are they?

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 07 Nov 2016, 01:57

Re: Restorers

2016-11-07T01:24:12+02:00

i guess asf can suffer some nerf.
their ratio dps/hp per mass is pretty good in comparaison to inte.
The only issue is that they cost a lot of e (for their dps/hp). Also their BT is even better than inte (dps/hp wise).
+ they have got insane speed advantage.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 07 Nov 2016, 01:24

Re: Restorers

2016-11-06T21:32:34+02:00

I'm a fan of how well all the gunships, t2 and t3 behave. The real issue (as always) is just how dominant asf are.

I tell a lie. I don't like sera's gunships, i'd like them to get buffed in stats, no/minor price increase.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 06 Nov 2016, 21:32

Re: Restorers

2016-10-23T17:05:38+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
Restorers are in an excellent place right now, much like broadswords you build them when you have air superiority, and you don't lose it after either as they are aa gunships, as opposed to wailers.

They are not niche at all, they are still an excellent unit to use, just at the right times

I still think they could use some increase in speed though. But yeah they are in a much better spot than they used to be, no arguing here. I just dont see them much use since people tend to prioritize ground more.

Also speed would help them a bit in a big maps like Seton's, too. Maybe they dont need that though.

Statistics: Posted by Darth_Google — 23 Oct 2016, 17:05

Re: Restorers

2016-10-23T15:51:17+02:00

Restorers are in an excellent place right now, much like broadswords you build them when you have air superiority, and you don't lose it after either as they are aa gunships, as opposed to wailers.

They are not niche at all, they are still an excellent unit to use, just at the right times

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 23 Oct 2016, 15:51

Re: Restorers

2016-10-23T15:15:51+02:00

Restorers used to be so OP in vanilla its not even funny, ground DPS on par with other gunships except i think Broadswords, very good AA dps which mass-to-mass was coming close to ASF and it was a fastest gunship too. Trick was to either micro your ASFs HARD or build a mass-equivalent load of interceptors which the Resto's overkilled with their missiles and wasted a lot of DPS.

I think they could use a slight buff with their a2g weapon or speed or something because they are really, really niche ATM. Im not even sure if they have an edge on a gunship to gunship fight on the same mass equivalent at the moment.

I'd also see Sera and Aeon to be tweaked so they'd be more diverse but thats for another topic.

Statistics: Posted by Darth_Google — 23 Oct 2016, 15:15

Re: Restorers

2016-10-18T18:09:09+02:00

Thanks all for the advice. In case it wasn't clear I was not crying imba, just curious what I was doing wrong. Sounds like I need to work on my micro.

I also have a habit of investing extra mass into projects like nukes late game which I'm guessing plays a role (mass for nuke+launcher = mass for some large amount of ASF).

Might take you up on that lesson morax - thanks for the offer.

Statistics: Posted by codepants — 18 Oct 2016, 18:09

Re: Restorers

2016-10-17T21:39:58+02:00

if i remember well they used to be used as aa gunship in gpg.
then they got nerf, and it's now worth it anymore to do it.
more range mean more overkill, but still mean more range
the range on the restorer is a really important asset of the unit.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 17 Oct 2016, 21:39

Re: Restorers

2016-10-17T19:42:17+02:00

Yikes, that post went way off topic, Iszh

Anyways, restos should not be giving you as much issues as you are seeing codepants. If you want training on how to air micro against them hit me up any time.

Side note to Iszh's statement: Restos will not be balanced. The general player base still think it's okay to send in an exp by itself *cough* K240 *cough,* without any support whatsoever, so when they watch restos, percies, etc, etc take them down they blow a gasket and cry "foul balance."

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 17 Oct 2016, 19:42

Re: Restorers

2016-10-17T17:49:27+02:00

Restos have a good place in game especially in 1v1. If you rush restos you can kill easy t1 enemy air and all the land you need. They are perfect and powerful weapons for 1v1. No need that restos can win vs asf it is not even needed to make them stronger. To nef restos more would be as well not good they are already weak against ground for their prize. This unit is a difficult thing since it is a total allround unit. But it is easy to scare or kill them with t2 aa guns. And several sams as well can kill lots of them.

In teamgames you can built restos to stop enemy ground exp units and while spending mass in ag weapons you still increase your aa capabilities. They do less dps vs air compared to asf but they take less damage because they are standing in the air and planes fly by very often. In fact it can happen that lots of asf target the gunships and are killed be the enemy asf.

Btw according to values Continental are nearly as good as restos. Just less ground dps and aa range. If you take 1,3 mass/e income they look like this compared to restos:

Continental - Restorer
1920mass - 1200mass
60 ag dps - 120 ag dps
7500 hp - 6000 hp
226 aa dps - 140 aa dps

Continental vs Restorer.JPG

Ok my post might sound a bit confusing. I wanted to show people who are complaining about restos op are talking about the aa abilities. People who want to buff them see the very weak ag weapon. In combination this thing is fine. And the aa Opness i cannot see because according to math continental is better. It has more aa dps and short range which means less overkill with rockets. It has bubbles to protect each other. It is simply never used for beeing an aa gunship.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 17 Oct 2016, 17:49

Re: Restorers

2016-10-17T17:18:43+02:00

If Gemini are winning that easy then there should be no issue with Wasps, Coronas, nor Iadyziness-whatever-the-hell-Sera-one-is.

Philip, try a less ideal situation such as a 3:2 ratio, asf:restos? You also need to factor in that most air players will "asf block" the incoming asf to protect the restos. I'd say a straight-up sandbox doesn't really replicate the situation too good...

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 17 Oct 2016, 17:18