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Re: The New Patch

2016-09-15T05:50:47+02:00

He's not allowed to have a positive option without it being a joke?

personally im loving some of the early game building hp changes, attacking with t1 feels far stronger

Statistics: Posted by biass — 15 Sep 2016, 05:50

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-14T21:48:32+02:00

I take it you are joking, right?

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 14 Sep 2016, 21:48

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-07T22:47:00+02:00

SpoCk0nd0pe wrote:
People just don't like change, especially changes to things they know and don't understand. The older the game, the more severe the problem will get because people will try very hard to not have to learn something new.

I think Zock assessed the fundamental balance problems of the game (@T1) very well and found good solutions to them. He polled if you wanted a patch that addresses the problems of the game at a more fundamental level and you voted "yes". That is exactly what the patch is doing.
The only critique I have is that some of the changes do not go far enough. The HP nerf to some buildings is still necessary imho, attacking and raiding eco is slightly too difficult. The Seraphim T1 sub seems to have been forgotten (or maybe just planned for a larger sub rebalance?).

What this guy said.

I really think Zock is doing what's best for the game, carefully enough to not permanently screw anything up in the long run. I really really think the 2nd part of this patch will bring things together and make FAF great again.

Statistics: Posted by zachyattacky — 07 Sep 2016, 22:47

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-07T21:05:21+02:00

Stop broke units balance! Ahwasa and czar, beetless in transport, aeon tmd... what next time? Your ultimate goal looks like: equalize all units so that they are identical, different faction should have different features.

Statistics: Posted by lilSidlil — 07 Sep 2016, 21:05

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-04T02:48:52+02:00

Did you read my post above NapSpan's? Read it. Show me a replay of such firebase war which resulted due to this patch.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 04 Sep 2016, 02:48

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-03T18:32:26+02:00

Of course ACU are the main unit.
No matter how is your game style.... U must have a choice to play like u want, being a figther, a firebase maker, stooped on main base surrounded by shields or just another eng, it's freedom, it's is your choices.

If we are forced to play how team balance desires, punishing this game style, they took our liberty by authoritarism!
i'm a player that love to play many hours with my ACU on the front, i like to play like an ACU FIGTHER, when they invented HQ factories, was more dificult to do that, but i loved that change!!
But i still play with ACU on the front, to get more mass, map control, and break enemy firebases with overcharges.

taking huge risks, but happy with it, and game allow to counter it with many ways too.
Dozen times i was killed doing it.
It's the reason that not are any logical argument to nerfs ACUS, it's completly possible to counter them.

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 03 Sep 2016, 18:32

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-03T00:13:57+02:00

ACU is not main unit of the game, ACU is just the main objective.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 03 Sep 2016, 00:13

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-02T23:43:37+02:00

Show me a replay of such fire base war. The replay has to be after Aug 29th (after the patch kicked in) on any non-turtle map.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 02 Sep 2016, 23:43

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-02T23:22:35+02:00

Because they nerfed the main unit of the game, and i usually dont make that boring MML strategy.
I make dozens of t1 artys, couple t2 units, and move with ACU sending overcharges, later i reclaim all.

Games became a turtle game with long time with no battles or firebase vs firebase war.

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 02 Sep 2016, 23:22

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-02T11:18:46+02:00

Destructor wrote:
I really aprecciate when they make changes to improve the game and set the game more options, diversity, and different kind of strategies.

LOOOOOOVED HQs... XP balances... T3 mobile AA... Auroras movement... Like when i read that t1 bombers are more smart, turn better, hit better... Sooo, they take his radar

All to make game more agressive and with constant battles, with any period of time without battle.
It's the reason because this game is soo beautifull. U are not to forced to make unique choices or upgrades.

U can finish the game with t1 acu... To save mass to upgrade mexes or RAS.
U can finish the game without RAS...
With any single air unit on some team games...
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Now... u are forced to early radar because bombers can't see units anymore, forced to make firebases, forced to make MML, forced to make ACU regen or Shield, Forced to use your acu like an Engeener, Forced to use ACU FIGTHER just after u make regen or shield, and forced to make defenses because is better save mass to jump t3.
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THEY FUCKED THE GAME TO ME...

Stop ranting pls, you are crying against balance changes because they changed your meta, not because they are good or not, you was always forced to build mml if you let your enemy build firebases, its the mml job, take down defenses, and you are not forced to build them, just if you are unable to hold your ground. Enemy bunker up in base? take map control and smash him, enemy build firebase in the middle? your fault for let them do it in first place.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 02 Sep 2016, 11:18

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-02T01:42:56+02:00

I really aprecciate when they make changes to improve the game and set the game more options, diversity, and different kind of strategies.

LOOOOOOVED HQs... XP balances... T3 mobile AA... Auroras movement... Like when i read that t1 bombers are more smart, turn better, hit better... Sooo, they take his radar

All to make game more agressive and with constant battles, with any period of time without battle.
It's the reason because this game is soo beautifull. U are not to forced to make unique choices or upgrades.

U can finish the game with t1 acu... To save mass to upgrade mexes or RAS.
U can finish the game without RAS...
With any single air unit on some team games...
..........
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..........
Now... u are forced to early radar because bombers can't see units anymore, forced to make firebases, forced to make MML, forced to make ACU regen or Shield, Forced to use your acu like an Engeener, Forced to use ACU FIGTHER just after u make regen or shield, and forced to make defenses because is better save mass to jump t3.
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THEY FUCKED THE GAME TO ME...

Statistics: Posted by Destructor — 02 Sep 2016, 01:42

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-01T13:26:45+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
NapSpan wrote:This can be done having original costs but keeping the increased BT, if bombers take more time to be built, they cant go out early anymore (you can assist them, but engies take time to be build anyway), so no more early bomber.

After all, this is the objective of the patch, right? change things and see how they work now to fix them better in next patch.

You can support the air factory with your ACU as well. No need to get an engi before that

Sure, but then you will eat shit in both fronts, some maa can take down that early bomber so ACU from one side and some tanks in the other one and you are screwed, I dont know why we have to nerf early bomber since is like scream "kill me" but hey, balance.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 01 Sep 2016, 13:26

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-01T12:35:17+02:00

NapSpan wrote:
This can be done having original costs but keeping the increased BT, if bombers take more time to be built, they cant go out early anymore (you can assist them, but engies take time to be build anyway), so no more early bomber.

After all, this is the objective of the patch, right? change things and see how they work now to fix them better in next patch.

You can support the air factory with your ACU as well. No need to get an engi before that

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 01 Sep 2016, 12:35

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-01T12:30:52+02:00

but late t1 bombers)

Statistics: Posted by biass — 01 Sep 2016, 12:30

Re: The New Patch

2016-09-01T12:28:59+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
LichKing2033 wrote:After some analysis of T1 bombers I came to the following conclusions:

1) OK, keep the bomber radar-less.
2) keep their better bomb drop and all the flihgt changes you made. Those are good.
3) Nerf Cybran T1 MAA. It has been buffed along with other MAAs but realize, please, that it almost never misses, unlike other MAA. So return its DPS to the previous value.
4) Restore the previous cost of the bomber (80 M, 2250 E, 500 BT). No reason to make them more expensive when the counter to them is better.
5) With some micro, it is feasible for 1st bomber to dodge MAA shots (I microed UEF bomber vs. Seraphim MAA in a teamgame, it lived to have 2nd vet, I think, because the guy I was bombing did not go for inties and his team did not send theirs)

3) cybran t1 maa has a low velocity speed so it can't really shoot down scouts you should keep that in mind.
4) increasing the bomber cost was part of the 1st bomber nerf removing it would be a bad idea considering that 1st bomber nerf was intended.
5)pics or it didn't happen

This can be done having original costs but keeping the increased BT, if bombers take more time to be built, they cant go out early anymore (you can assist them, but engies take time to be build anyway), so no more early bomber.

After all, this is the objective of the patch, right? change things and see how they work now to fix them better in next patch.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 01 Sep 2016, 12:28