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Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-08-19T12:42:13+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
This thread was pulled from the "Faction Diversity" thread. So clearly anything talking about UEF and Aeon instead of Cybran is totally off topic in a thread on Faction Diversity. Is this making any sense yet? I hope not.

Incorrect. It was pulled from this Cybran thread, where it wasn't on topic. But nice try trying to make Gorton look like an idiot.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 19 Aug 2016, 12:42

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-08-15T19:47:02+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Hawkei wrote:Titan needs:
2. Range increase to 23

I was thinking the same exact thing!

Now, this was supposed to be a discussion of UEF vs. Aeon, which it is clearly not.

This thread was a previously active discussion, lifted from another thread by a moderator and named by said moderator. The name doesn't necessarily convey the meaning of the conversation which was already in progress. It is a "UEF Aeon" Discussion only in the sense that these things are not Cybran.

This thread was pulled from the "Faction Diversity" thread. So clearly anything talking about UEF and Aeon instead of Cybran is totally off topic in a thread on Faction Diversity. Is this making any sense yet? I hope not.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 15 Aug 2016, 19:47

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-08-15T19:24:41+02:00

As an ego maniac, I strongly beg to differ. Very strongly.

Statistics: Posted by Nepty — 15 Aug 2016, 19:24

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-08-15T18:46:09+02:00

It's not all about you, buddy.

Statistics: Posted by snuffles — 15 Aug 2016, 18:46

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-27T22:57:46+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Now, this was supposed to be a discussion of UEF vs. Aeon, which it is clearly not.

Affirmative. I still give the advantage to UEF. Especially tech 3 land and sea. I sure I'll see more vague post arguing against it just for the sake of just arguing. I don't really pay attention to any of it. No reason to. I learn in combat.

I'm sticking to 100% of what I've said earlier. Not a soul in this entire universe will alter my stance on the matter. My track record of defeating aeon players with UEF, with near equal rating is about 85%-90%. No words on a forum will change my mind on the matter, I'll just learn to hard way if necessary. In combat. I'm done with this thread. All possible helpful knowledge has already been acquired, Sapphire out...

(The Janus is an okay bomber. Default just like most UEF units AKA borderline. No reason to fuss about it. ^_^).

Statistics: Posted by Nepty — 27 Jul 2016, 22:57

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T16:24:20+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
Titan needs:
2. Range increase to 23

I was thinking the same exact thing!

Now, this was supposed to be a discussion of UEF vs. Aeon, which it is clearly not.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 26 Jul 2016, 16:24

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T15:06:59+02:00

Well yes. Suggestions on Titan I have made elsewhere. Suggestions to Janus I do believe I made earlier.

Janus needs:
1. Tighter spread (similar to 3599)
2. Short Drop big fix
3. Swap DPS allocated between immediate and damage over time.

Titan needs:
1. Turret yaw increase to 190 deg./s
2. Range increase to 23

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 26 Jul 2016, 15:06

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T12:29:05+02:00

Sure, so that, add some secs to Janus fire (1 or 2, dunno) and try to fix Titan, 2 fixes that would left UEF balanced.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 26 Jul 2016, 12:29

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T11:46:59+02:00

I think this is a good opportunity to remind everyone that this forum is supposed to be a place for constructive discussion, not a playground for pity fights about who is right. There is nothing wrong to have a bit of fun in some non serious threads, but it is starting to take over the majority of discussions and i created - and am reading - this forum to find good suggestions for balance, not to cringe.

If anyone needs to question the ability of someone to discuss balance, he is probably better to ignore that person instead of trying to get him (or her ) to admit that they have no idea. If someone has nothing meaningful to contribute, he might be better off not posting at all. Keep in mind that you need to convince other people, convince the balanceteam and convince me with your posts, not to win a battle.

The public beta for the balance patch will start soon, and for this i need this forum to be able to have useful discussions, spare the occational threads with non serious intentions that can keep their natural habitat here. In the past discussions, you should have gotten a good idea who you are able to convince or not, and who is worth discussing with.

Anyone not able to contribute in a contructive way to this forum once the balance beta starts might find himself to lose access to it. Until then, you can try to bring this discussion (and others) to a good end, or not.

--Zock

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 26 Jul 2016, 11:46

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T10:48:41+02:00

Janus buff

+1 or less air speed

Why? can catch strats

Statistics: Posted by biass — 26 Jul 2016, 10:48

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T10:18:46+02:00

D4E_Omit wrote:
Holy shit, this guy was joking. Get it? Joke?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/joke

Oh wait. I'm supposed to be laughing...

***
Also Swol. I don't think have properly understood the purpose for Janus having good AA. Yes it will die to it's same mass in interceptor. But one doesn't normally build Janus for the purpose of killing air. This is something which it does in self defence - taking out the few remaining interceptors in the target area. Being able to take them out could mean the difference between a successful mission or a dead bomber. Ideally you will want to eliminate interceptor clouds with your own, but if you have the Janus there (and you are about to make a bombing pass) the ability to help interceptor clear air can be helpful.

The comparative mass balance should be irrelevant because you are not seeking to loose Janus in that engagement.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 26 Jul 2016, 10:18

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T10:11:07+02:00

Swol wrote:
I'm considering writing a full inquiry into the janus fiasco and have so far have the following chapters planned:

Mass for mass (not even factoring power costs) loses horribly to inties rendering any advantage over other fighter bombers entirely useless
Might be the best t2 f/b for killing grouped t1 pgens, though can unreliable
Is the worst at killing absolutely everything else
Is worst at killing and surviving any and all aa
Can be effective if:

Lets see
You cant argue using the Mass for mass argument because it not work in that way, like saying LABs are better than percivals because they have more DPS mass for mass, you are paying for having both bombing and AA stuff in the same plane with decent amount of HP.
If you only want to clear sky, you will use inties, but if you are about to bomb something, send both bombers and inties, if bombers can help killing enemy air before start bombing, that is good.
it lose horribly vs flaks? of course, its a T2 plane, it has to lose horrible vs flaks and Janus is one of the hardest fighter/bombers, can stand flak attacks well enough.
The idea of buffing them is for have them performing in they task at same level as other bombers, vs units it smash entire T1 armies, if you rush Janus they can do the job and, in T2 stage, in big numbers they can take down enemy T2 armies if you focus on enemy flaks first (Janus work better vs Cybran because they lack of shield, vs other factions maybe they dont work at all), what Janus do well? kill buildings, other faction bombers can do that but Janus do it a bit better because fire deny factories and can kill lines of stuff better. In the other hand Janus is bad to snipe stuff but that is not bad.
So, buff them to kill buildings better and job done, add some seconds to the fire or something like that.
Janus is good? No, but is not that horrible, Janus is not Titan.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 26 Jul 2016, 10:11

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-26T00:15:41+02:00

say what you want bruh
ain't noone take this place srs anyways

Statistics: Posted by biass — 26 Jul 2016, 00:15

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-25T23:25:21+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
LOL. The mighty Mel_Gibson weights into the argument. If Janus bombers are so bad as you say, why did you die to them during the WWPC U1100 against NapSpan? What are we to make of this?

My comment, as pointed out, was mainly facetious, as with most of them (judge that however you want) But i'm glad you asked son.

Yes, i lost to janus bombers, this is no secret, it has been metioned a couple of times and i have already commented on it. What we can take from this, first and foremost, is that i am not, and have never claimed to be a good 1v1 player, i rarely play it. (i went on to win that WWPC btw). Secondly, what we can take from it, is pretty much everything that has already been said. I was guilty of the following.

Mel_Gibson wrote:
Can be effective if:
Your opponent sees you have gone t2 air but doesn't check to see what you are building
Your opponent doesn't build flak or more inties to ensure he has air
Your opponent just generally doesn't react in any way

And as you pointed out that i pointed out.

Mel_Gibson wrote:
die like a retard

I even pointed out in chat in game that he had "many t2 air" before i even saw janus bombers yet didn't bother myself to do a thing about. This would not have happened with a better player. Another quote from that game.

[0:14:32] Mel_Gibson to all: pretty retarded for letting this happen xD
[0:14:54] NapSpan to all: dont know how its even working

What are we to make of this? That Napspan thinks janus is shit and is surprised he managed to cheese a win with them? I really would find it hilarious if this game is one the triggers for the UEF sitting round the table and deciding that the janus is actually really good.

But i want to make absolutely clear, i am taking nothing away from napspan, he took advantage, won, won fairly, and i lost.

But if this somehow makes me unqualified to comment, i'd like us to consider the following. AFAIK I think i have only played you once in ladder, fairly recently on syrtis, and if you recall, you lost to a 1k ladder noob despite you getting all the mid mass, as OP kackbran and against your beloved UEF.

Me being a 1k ladder noob does indeed make me feel i am wholly unqualified to comment on most balance issues. Why do you?

Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 25 Jul 2016, 23:25

Re: UEF Aeon discussion

2016-07-25T21:51:55+02:00

Holy shit, this guy was joking. Get it? Joke?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/joke

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 25 Jul 2016, 21:51