Forged Alliance Forever

Re: The Cerberus

2016-06-01T18:12:49+02:00

MrSprengmeister wrote:
Ok an admin can close the thread. I had enough answers.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 Jun 2016, 18:12

Re: The Cerberus

2016-06-01T11:54:30+02:00

there is always time for reclaim

Statistics: Posted by biass — 01 Jun 2016, 11:54

Re: The Cerberus

2016-06-01T01:02:43+02:00

1) The suggestion may be decent except I never heard anyone talk about it.
2) I can read any suggestion from any player without any prejudice. Some high-ranked players make shitty suggestions and some low-ranked make very good ones!
3) Cybrans have things to cover their weak defense. They have [arguably] OP frigate, definitely OP MML and Loyalist which beats Titan 100%. Also the cheapest and the most efficient exps. They do not need also a strong PD.
4) The reclaim left after the battle is a big boost if you are short on mass. I use it whenever I have time and spare engies.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 01 Jun 2016, 01:02

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T16:01:55+02:00

Ok then, It´s quite funny that people tell me that I would do things that have already done.

So, I´m over it. But I´m still wondering why I heard it so often. All these persons seem not to have seen this thread yet. But anyway. It´s also sad that nobody wants to discuss it with me in TS or so.

Ok an admin can close the thread. I had enough answers.

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 May 2016, 16:01

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T15:41:34+02:00

biass wrote:
only players with low rating say to ignore rating, well

and also viewtopic.php?f=67&t=12383

I say it too and I was very hight rated when play FAF competetive (1900)
rating mean nothing if look on suggestion and decide if is good or bad. 95% player base are casual players it is mainly they game.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 21 May 2016, 15:41

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T15:33:29+02:00

only players with low rating say to ignore rating, well

and also viewtopic.php?f=67&t=12383

its not people who are 1800+ who "make balance" for eg Exotic is like 1200 ladder and with ithilis has made an entire balance mod, the problem is is when the ideas to buff/nerf are so totally unneeded and only called for because someone likes a faction too much or was killed by it in his last game

(also about pt1 you said to make tmd vs mmls and then when i said no you said that you also said no, but irrelevant)

Statistics: Posted by biass — 21 May 2016, 15:33

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T15:32:17+02:00

briang wrote:
The problem is the lack of knowledge and experience you back it with.

Ah ok, so the time before I have found FAF doesn´t count. I played the game since the demo was out. Furthermore I played hundreds and hundreds of hours. If that is no experience then I don´t know.

briang wrote:
If you don't want it to be picked apart, PM somebody who is 1800+ about it first and ask them if it is viable or not.

I thought the community is everyone, and the balance of the game is for everyone, right? But you tell me to first to speak to a 1800+? So the game balance is made by 1800+ only.
Ok then, make FAF private only for 1800+ people. I hope you understand what i want to tell here.

P.S. ok last try, just tell me a TS and we can speak. Also my FAF is open witch means u can PM me there, and I tell you a TS server there if you want.

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 May 2016, 15:32

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T15:13:51+02:00

You CAN make a suggestion. The problem is the lack of knowledge and experience you back it with. If you don't want it to be picked apart, PM somebody who is 1800+ about it first and ask them if it is viable or not. No player in that experience range would tell you that Cybran need a buff to anything

Statistics: Posted by briang — 21 May 2016, 15:13

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T14:42:42+02:00

1st Yes thats what i already wrote.
2nd WTF?!? Why? Tell me. Maybe i´m just too lazy to notice
3rd Yes
4th maybe
5th ok
6th You don´t want to now how hard I just facepalmed on that
well if you judge a player that has high rating has more to say than a player with lower rating, than you can make FAF private for you 150-200 players.
And to make it clear: I never ever want to do "stupid buffs" to any faction, no matter what.

But anyway, I get the point that everybody disagrees and Cybrans are OP is hell. And I get the point that I seem not to be allowed to make a suggestion, because my rating is low. Isn´t there somebody that might has another idea to this?

P.S. Seriously, for everyone: talk to me! Just tell me a TS-Server. Then we can discuss all this nice and easily.
P.P.S. that lenny

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 May 2016, 14:42

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T11:40:57+02:00

1st off, lets start by saying that spamming TMD will not save you against someone spamming mmls
2nd off, lets remember that cybran are currently the best faction in the game
3rd off, lets remember that cybrans traits revolve around mobility and poor defense
4th off, lets remember that we would always want units instead of pd to defend positions, no matter the faction
5th off, lets remember that all the pd's do the job of helping repel acu's or hold ground while supported by units just fine
and so 6th off, lets take a giggle at the cybran (only?) player with 600 ladder rating who wants his favorite faction to have stupid buffs..

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by biass — 21 May 2016, 11:40

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T09:41:46+02:00

briang wrote:
T2 Static Defenses are inneficient against T2 units? Who would've ever thought that we would try to promote building units instead of retarded static/turtle play? The effectiveness of the MML's are nowhere near equal. Viper is miles ahead of the rest of them and if you can't recognize that you need to play more and post less.

Well, if people "turtle" they will lose at least around 90% of the games anyway because they just react, instead of act. I can set the pace of the game and set the "turtle player" under pressure. So I don´t see a problem here. But honestly, if any faction can set a firebase and you´re going to have a hard time getting it out of the way even with full T2 production, then tell me how that is even possible if T2 PD´s are inefficient in general? If I build a firebase with cybran people will laugh at me. So would I. But its not about firebases. If I have to make the decision between Cerberus or Rhino´s for defending a position, at the current balance I would chose the Rhino, because its has more dps per mass, is very good at killing T1 spam too and it can move as well, then I don´t know why the Cerberus exists. Seriously, we can delete it, if that is the fact.

And too mention your Viper OP thing: If it is so post a now topic. I don´t care if I get attacked by Viper´s or any other MML, if people build TMD as reaction I don´t think its a problem of the game. I just change my strategy. And stop writing that I need to play more FA, becasue I had to laugh so hard at that. You know, there was a time before I found out about FAF... And I did play SC since the demo was out.

P.S. If you or anyone else want to talk about that more quickly and discuss some things, then let´s go on a TS server and just tell me the time.

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 21 May 2016, 09:41

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-21T02:05:10+02:00

MrSprengmeister wrote:
So here is my very simple solution:
just give it around 120 dps instead of 100
Simple as that. Ok now I want to hear you opinion and/or your solutions.

May sound good on paper but that will allow Cybran to turtle which is not their style at all. Also, as Myxir said, Cerebus never misses. it is more towards protection vs. T1 spam, not T2 & T3. For that you need Oblivion, Triad or Ravager. Uttashala is similar to Cerberus.

P.S. - The Cerberus weakness I never heard mentioned.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 21 May 2016, 02:05

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-20T22:42:39+02:00

T2 Static Defenses are inneficient against T2 units? Who would've ever thought that we would try to promote building units instead of retarded static/turtle play? The effectiveness of the MML's are nowhere near equal. Viper is miles ahead of the rest of them and if you can't recognize that you need to play more and post less.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 20 May 2016, 22:42

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-20T21:15:11+02:00

t2 pd only has 2 purposes 1st killing t1 arty since it outranges it and 2nd couvering space so the enemy cant walk throuh it without taking dmg. you will neve build t2 pd for tonns of dmg (with less dps and hp then t2 units of equal cost that cant! move) for that you got t1 pd. only the situations where the dps and Hp really matter is when you got firebases and for that cybran got the stongest mmls. buffingtheir pd would give them too much of an edge in even that field.

ps: where do you see (many) firebases in 1v1?

Statistics: Posted by Turinturambar — 20 May 2016, 21:15

Re: The Cerberus

2016-05-20T20:06:34+02:00

Zoram wrote:
The Cybran T2PD really isn't that bad. Sure it's weaker but it's fast too build and fires extremely fast compared to the others, which makes it quite good at wiping T1 spam.

And the balance of the game is built around factions having pros & cons. A con (weaker pd relative to other pds) is compensated by a pro. Units can't be compared to their counterpart in isolation of the rest of the factions units.

I agree, but it should also perform at least ok against T2. thats my goal. Because at the moment it is only good at defending against T1. (Funny sidenote T1 PD is also very good against T1 spam, except T1 arty. So the Cerberus´s purpose is just to defend against T1 arty :p )

Statistics: Posted by MrSprengmeister — 20 May 2016, 20:06