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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-27T00:14:28+02:00

Zock i need the medusa image you did. i really need it

Statistics: Posted by Isen — 27 Jul 2016, 00:14

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-26T20:25:06+02:00

Well, now Cybrans are OP as hell, Medusas will paralize your army, Corsairs would blow up your ACU ass and if that doesnt work, add some fire beetles, T3 stage? some loya rush, enemy handle it? early monkeylord, brick spam, telemazer, megalith etc...

The thing is that cybran was always OP save beetle which got changed a bit. Medusa was actually nerfed from Isen's time iirc.

It's just that no one really noticed

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 26 Jul 2016, 20:25

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-26T19:02:49+02:00

Isen wrote:
wOowaaeeeeeeeo, long time not being around, cybran op now??? what happened, medusas killing t1 pds now? i have been reading a bit the forums but as i can´t talk about how the game is now i will just shut up, anyway i can't play yet (or at least i shouldn't, although i really want to... )
I think you shouldn't try to balance the game for teamgames since on teamgames teams can mix factions, and also shouldn't balance the game for making it eassier to newcomers but if there is some imbalance on top players matches ok go ahead and try to balance it up.
I love Cybran i played it because they were weaker than other factions, so if you nerf them it is ok for me, i will still love them.

Best regards

Isen

Well, now Cybrans are OP as hell, Medusas will paralize your army, Corsairs would blow up your ACU ass and if that doesnt work, add some fire beetles, T3 stage? some loya rush, enemy handle it? early monkeylord, brick spam, telemazer, megalith etc...

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 26 Jul 2016, 19:02

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-26T16:47:15+02:00

wOowaaeeeeeeeo, long time not being around, cybran op now??? what happened, medusas killing t1 pds now? i have been reading a bit the forums but as i can´t talk about how the game is now i will just shut up, anyway i can't play yet (or at least i shouldn't, although i really want to... )
I think you shouldn't try to balance the game for teamgames since on teamgames teams can mix factions, and also shouldn't balance the game for making it eassier to newcomers but if there is some imbalance on top players matches ok go ahead and try to balance it up.
I love Cybran i played it because they were weaker than other factions, so if you nerf them it is ok for me, i will still love them.

Best regards

Isen

Statistics: Posted by Isen — 26 Jul 2016, 16:47

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-21T13:05:50+02:00

briang wrote:
Looks like we've got another cringe poster fellas!
FML

Haha omg I just found out you got permbanned from forums. It literally happened on my birthday too.

Not sure about cybran being op myself. Apparently everything aeon is op... Aurora too good so you have to go early t2, then obsidians apparently dominate, and t2 air, then harb rush. Doesn't apply to team games obviously.. I mean more 1v1 or 2v2... You know, real games.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 21 Jul 2016, 13:05

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-02T20:31:53+02:00

biass wrote:
Nepty wrote:No faction should force another faction to go tech 2 just to counter the tech 1.

aurora.

cybran are getting nerfed son, go join the balance team if you're so passionate and you can see for yourself

Spoiler: show
also ayy lmao if ur hawkei i didnt notice

But with Aurora is quite fun, 20 Auroras being reduced to ashes by 2 mongooses, with Cybrans is not funny at all.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 02 Jul 2016, 20:31

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-02T16:05:06+02:00

Looks like we've got another cringe poster fellas!

FML

Statistics: Posted by briang — 02 Jul 2016, 16:05

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-02T03:47:30+02:00

Nepty wrote:
Interesting thread. The really sad news is a member tried to warn the FAF community for 3 years about Cybran. I think his name was Supernova or something like that. No one listened, so here we are... I know cybran will never be nerfed, too many Cybran fanboys will make sure of that. So buff all the other factions is our only option.

That... is a good thought. If other factions are buffed a bit, that might just fix the balance.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 02 Jul 2016, 03:47

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-02T02:48:55+02:00

Nepty wrote:
No faction should force another faction to go tech 2 just to counter the tech 1.

aurora.

cybran are getting nerfed son, go join the balance team if you're so passionate and you can see for yourself

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by biass — 02 Jul 2016, 02:48

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-07-02T01:01:05+02:00

Interesting thread. The really sad news is a member tried to warn the FAF community for 3 years about Cybran. I think his name was Supernova or something like that. No one listened, so here we are... I know cybran will never be nerfed, too many Cybran fanboys will make sure of that. So buff all the other factions is our only option. I have some good ideas I'll share later.

Cybran's tech 1 is too superior in my opinion. How I would balance them:

1)Lower mantis HP to 250, increase DPS slightly. Fast and deadly, but low HP. The hard counter would be Seraphim's bomber.
2)Lower jester's HP. Maybe lower its price or build speed. It has too much HP that's just a fact. 350 is okay.

No faction should force another faction to go tech 2 just to counter the tech 1. Yes UEF has to Pillar rush to stop cybran insane tech one spam, and Seraphim has to do something similar with their Tech 2 assault bot.

The cybran faction is OP in 1v1, it always was. Shame it took over 3 years for people to notice. Best tech one, best tech 2 gunship and fighter bomber, best TML, fastest experimental build speed. I could go on and on. I just want balance. Don't use the faction diversity excuse to keep cybran OP. Let's do what's best for FAF.

Statistics: Posted by Nepty — 02 Jul 2016, 01:01

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-06-29T17:54:02+02:00

Tokyto wrote:
Bricks lose horribly to Percivals, Aeons have OP harbs and nobody plays Sera so who cares about those. Also loyalist overrated imo, they aren't that good.

Nobody plays sera

We all know the reason...

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 29 Jun 2016, 17:54

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-06-10T20:55:40+02:00

Violence wrote:
Sovietpride wrote:people would be up in arms as all the gap players would not know what the hell to do with the toilet-clog-like mess that would amass in the center.

I guess that's where you can use T2 arty or even (*gasp*) T2 bombers for that sweet AoE.

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 10 Jun 2016, 20:55

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-06-10T18:54:23+02:00

Sovietpride wrote:
The main issue I've found is that by the time you have enough t2 to make a difference and can threaten your opponent they can get to loyalists- which have the speed, range and numbers to effectively nullify a t2 force and retake/push.

So, this is basically a vanilla Supp Comm thing where t3 is quite difficult to get and t4 is VERY rare. In vanilla if anyone got an experimental it was basically gg, for good reason. Over time people got upset that they barely got to see one the staple features of the "experimental" and the costs were lowered so that they were more common.

In 1v1, I think it would be GREAT to have a prolonged t2 stage as it's more tactical than t3 where it is mostly brute force of super-heavy units. In team games, though, people would be up in arms as all the gap players would not know what the hell to do with the toilet-clog-like mess that would amass in the center.

If I were to make the game balanced in this way, I would make a "competitive mode" where we suit it to high-level play and a "common mode" for GAP and the likes players.

It would be so awesome to return to prolonged t1, t2, and sometimes t3 games. That is the way it was meant to be.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 10 Jun 2016, 18:54

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-06-10T12:58:16+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
If your opponent does not make t2 you might as well just roll them over on t2 stage with pillars that work as good as titans and often even better

Only once I actually rushed percy on badlands and lost 1 percy to mantis spam and could not attack for some time cause there was just to many t1, but I just kept getting more and more percy and pay more attansion to kiting amd that t1 shit turns into veteranicy eventually, and in more normal situation you would have some pillars left after t2 phase that work good against t1, especially arty

The main issue I've found is that by the time you have enough t2 to make a difference and can threaten your opponent they can get to loyalists- which have the speed, range and numbers to effectively nullify a t2 force and retake/push.

As for the cybran ACU having too much regen, this only applies to stock commanders. A t2/gun ACU eats a cybran one for breakfast.
In my world I would have reduced vanilla ACU regen to something like 11/12,
And shift the regen to the stealth upgrade. That should appease most people.
If the games tight, then there's no "unfair" free advantage.
If people invest in upgrades, they get suitably rewarded for it.

Statistics: Posted by Sovietpride — 10 Jun 2016, 12:58

Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

2016-05-21T01:18:51+02:00

Tone it down a bit guys

I moved the irrev posts into a new topic. Feel free to comment there.

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 21 May 2016, 01:18