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Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T15:34:42+02:00

Ithilis_Quo wrote:
when you area talking about ghetto jast tips. change target priority on labs for
radar -> acu -> mobile t1 ->t2...

so then gheto will aim acu over army, and deny so many frustration.

better just to implement domino's target selection mod. So that you can choose either you want to snipe ACU? either you want 1 GG to focus down T1 aa being build and other to focus ACU, or if you want to focus tank, so that you can get the upper hand in a fight.

removing the possibility of having the GG landing (but not droping) can be good idea, already lost game because couldn't babysit the GG not to land. Not sure if patrol order last forever with GG too.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 23 Oct 2015, 15:34

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T15:09:20+02:00

KrogothFTW wrote:
yeager wrote:Well, in an army of only tanks it's would completey shred, having a higher dps and range... .

It doesn't really have a higher DPS; even the cybran gg has higher, but is slightly more expensive. range would be 16 instead of 14, still dwarfed by 22 for proper T2 gunships, who can fire on transports and gunships, while ghettos can't

Well for uef vs sera ghetto you are down 30dps, but save a crap load of mass, get radar, and a little extra range, but fall to as even faster, however at t2 you start dealing some 200 dps per ghetto as well as being much cheaper. So it would be factionaly diverse, but not OP at all

Statistics: Posted by yeager — 23 Oct 2015, 15:09

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T02:52:24+02:00

when you area talking about ghetto jast tips. change target priority on labs for
radar -> acu -> mobile t1 ->t2...

so then gheto will aim acu over army, and deny so many frustration.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 23 Oct 2015, 02:52

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T02:49:03+02:00

yeager wrote:
Well, in an army of only tanks it's would completey shred, having a higher dps and range... .

It doesn't really have a higher DPS; even the cybran gg has higher, but is slightly more expensive. range would be 16 instead of 14, still dwarfed by 22 for proper T2 gunships, who can fire on transports and gunships, while ghettos can't

Statistics: Posted by KrogothFTW — 23 Oct 2015, 02:49

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T02:29:36+02:00

yeager wrote:
I'd disable radar while on trans if it turns out to be OP.

Can't any other race use a scout too, sending one less LAB?

Statistics: Posted by KrogothFTW — 23 Oct 2015, 02:29

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T01:46:35+02:00

Well, in an army of only tanks it's would completey shred, having a higher dps and range, as well as radar HOWEVER if even the weakest of aa is preset it will start reducing dps because selen has such low dps. It would be fun to see, but I'd disable radar while on trans if it turns out to be OP. Also 2 t2 ghettos will kill a com faster than 3 cybran (I think) but even 1 t1 aa under a shield would stop it.

Statistics: Posted by yeager — 23 Oct 2015, 01:46

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-23T01:27:26+02:00

KrogothFTW wrote:
KrogothFTW wrote:
yeager wrote::D

a sera ghetto would be reall interesting, it would be the best of them, but even the weakest aa could reduce its dps..

Even with their scout bot's reduced dps compared to LAB's? How much is their clamp advantage?

At T1, a Sera ghetto gunship with 8 selens would have 106dps at .381 DPS/mass and cybran or aeon ghetto gunship gets 126 DPS at .382 /mass with 6 LAB's.

A sera t2 ghetto gunship would get 220 anti ground DPS at 0.355 / mass.
Cybran gets 223.33 at 0.344 /mass with emp effect
Uef gets 343.82 at 0.435 /mass
Aeon gets 252 at 0.355 / mass

Sera ghetto gunships wouldn't be superior, besides a slight improvement in range, but having the option wouldn't hurt them

Statistics: Posted by KrogothFTW — 23 Oct 2015, 01:27

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T23:51:08+02:00

KrogothFTW wrote:
yeager wrote::D

a sera ghetto would be reall interesting, it would be the best of them, but even the weakest aa could reduce its dps..

Even with their scout bot's reduced dps compared to LAB's? How much is their clamp advantage?

At T1, a Sera ghetto gunship with 8 selens would have 106dps at .381 DPS/mass and cybran or aeon ghetto gunship gets 126 DPS at .382 /mass with 6 LAB's.

A sera t2 ghetto gunship would get 220 anti ground DPS at 0.355 / mass.
Cybran gets 223.33 at 0.344 /mass with emp effect
Uef gets 343.82 at 0.435 /mass
Aeon gets 252 at 0.355 / mass

Statistics: Posted by KrogothFTW — 22 Oct 2015, 23:51

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T19:02:48+02:00

Of course i ve been talking about normal t3 transport just to show it is still useless even if you won air superiority .... loading 6 percivals 7k mass inside is a very very bad idea since this is destroyed in 5 secs by some spread planes. I am totally against scu shield in transports wtf this idea is simply out of concept of this game. The so called flying fortress would be at least an adequate replacement far not so strong for other air exp units which uef does not have.

Btw what exactly was the point of this thread except my invention of the uef flying fortress?

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 22 Oct 2015, 19:02

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T21:12:35+02:00

RoLa wrote:
It's a game! You can think of anything to make it consistent. Lets say it works only in combination with a continental and S/ACUs. Explanation: The bubble shield system of a S/ACU can connect to the continental shield system and create an additionally shield. It's a UEF units only feature for late game.

Thanks, now my Supcom installation is screaming in rage, how am i supposed to listen to music now?

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 22 Oct 2015, 18:46

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T18:33:41+02:00

Iszh wrote:
3 spread ASF will still kill this planes in 5 secs which is a joke. Bubble of acu scu thats inconsistent! All shields or no shields.

3 ASF have 1300 dps
the shield has 150 regen/s
if the asf could continously fire they would take one minute to crack 52.000 hp shield.
But they need to turn around so it would take several minutes.

It's a game! You can think of anything to make it consistent. Lets say it works only in combination with a continental and S/ACUs. Explanation: The bubble shield system of a S/ACU can connect to the continental shield system and create an additionally shield. It's a UEF units only feature for late game.

EDIT:
Oh, i think 6 asf will kill normal Continental in 5 seconds.

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 22 Oct 2015, 18:33

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T17:49:35+02:00

Same like czar and ahwassa and beetle. I told before it is alike option for using after winning air sup. Because even with air sup you still cant use a t3 transport. 3 spread ASF will still kill this planes in 5 secs which is a joke.

Bubble of acu scu thats inconsistent! All shields or no shields.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 22 Oct 2015, 17:49

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T17:14:34+02:00

Question: Given shield spillover for inties and ASF, splash damage from flack and AA and the obscene numbers involved with Air/AA units health and damage (not to mention the update tick fuckery with shields and air), how much would the "flying fortress" last?
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Nevermind, RoLa already answered

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 22 Oct 2015, 17:14

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T16:05:23+02:00

Iszh wrote:
To activate the shields while in transport would be to strong. Aeon and uef could load at t2 stage mobile shields and with several transports create a nearly undestructable t2 drop.

You didn't read my post. I meant only activate shields in transports for ACUs and SACUs. So basically UEF would be the only one having a bubble arround transport. Well in team games they could give bubble SACUs to teammates.

It also means that the personal shields of other factions ACUs/SACUs are immediatly active directly after landing. So dropping ACU with personal shield into enemy base would be an option. Now getting shields up after landing takes 2-3 minutes.

cost of a UEF bubble SACU:
7.600 mass (2100+2000+3500)
518.950 energy (25200+93750+400000)

50 ASF would kill the shielded transport in one pass.

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 22 Oct 2015, 16:05

Re: Factional air balance

2015-10-22T15:40:39+02:00

To activate the shields while in transport would be to strong. Aeon and uef could load at t2 stage mobile shields and with several transports create a nearly undestructable t2 drop. The flying fortress idea is a big change and very likely to many people are against creating a flying explike unit for uef in game. I will do a funmod for this anyways wanna see THIS in a game I have to take care to increase the built time a lot to remove to strong adjacency bonus.

My changelog so far:
-T3 FLying fortress transport
-t2 trasnports stealth for 500e
-t2 F/bomber more like swift wind with very low bombing abilities - For cybran only aa damage increase not physics
-t2 stat aa improvement i still think thiss is needed

And yes sorry for my english i am writing fast thinking slow and since i am not talking this language daily it might be very bad and sometimes very very bad (ithilis like ).

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 22 Oct 2015, 15:40