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Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-15T19:25:47+02:00

I like this idea, the sera t3 shield is on a recharge of 40 some seconds and it makes it really hard to use, something similar to the bulwark would be helpful to make them easier to get through. But when is enough enough? the shield should be a cost effective form of health or it wont get used, so we need to maybe not nerf bat it.

Statistics: Posted by yeager — 15 Sep 2015, 19:25

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-15T09:32:41+02:00

Honestly, I don't fully see the rationale behind the change you're proposing.

On smaller naval maps, games usually end before bulwarks can be produced in large numbers. Heck, the outcome is often decided long before T3 navy makes a full entrance onto the playing field. In these cases, I think the bulwark is pretty well balanced. It's not hard to get a few hover units or subs underneath the shield to kill it, especially considering the poor range and accuracy of the UEF T2 destroyer.

Unless you compensate with another buff, your proposed change will only make the underwhelming UEF T2 navy worse.

The Summit+bulwark spam issue you're talking about only becomes an issue on the larger naval maps, where the defender's advantage makes turtle-ish play with the bulwark more viable. These maps are played often, but I think it's important to keep the wider map pool in mind when proposing balance changes.

Maybe you could just nerf Bulwark shield stacking more? That might solve the issue without affecting T2 too much.

Statistics: Posted by fluffycake — 15 Sep 2015, 09:32

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-15T03:09:40+02:00

I'm sure it would be appreciated if people were constructive and stayed on topic.

Statistics: Posted by Deering — 15 Sep 2015, 03:09

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T16:14:21+02:00

briang wrote:
Ithilis your posts were useless ranting about how UEF as a whole was OP across the board. Nothing you suggested was even remotely specific or useful.

Don't you have a mod to mess with?

Oh snap

Statistics: Posted by yeager — 14 Sep 2015, 16:14

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T14:20:06+02:00

Zock wrote:
Wrong forum, does anyone mind when this gets moved to balance discussion?

done

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 14 Sep 2015, 14:20

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T14:14:03+02:00

Wrong forum, does anyone mind when this gets moved to balance discussion?

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 14 Sep 2015, 14:14

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T13:05:18+02:00

Ithilis_Quo wrote:
suggearing exactly same stuff as i was suggearing in past

i noticed this too. i am amused.
maybe you will discover some other balance insights?
waiting patiently for you to catch up with us in a few of months time.

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 14 Sep 2015, 13:05

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T11:18:30+02:00

Brian, point is that you are suggearing exactly same stuff as i was suggearing in past, where you smash my (=yours) sugeation as absolutely stupid. And that is beautiful, thank you<3

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 14 Sep 2015, 11:18

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T10:55:03+02:00

sure they are strong against naval, but their real strengh is that they make it very hard to deal damage with airunits
one cruiser and one shieldboat together have a way better survivability rate than two cruisers

i'm not really sure if nerfing shield radius is a good way to nerf them, it would lessen the shield overspill damage they receive

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 14 Sep 2015, 10:55

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-14T04:31:00+02:00

hahaha one mounth and something ago, was here my topic about UEF T3 where underline bulwark as big parth of uef T3 streng. But on that time "nononno ithilis is idiot, and dont know what hes talking about, go to praktice it with good player" And now... And now thank you! majesty providence!

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 14 Sep 2015, 04:31

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-07T08:06:52+02:00

This forum was and is about testing there is no replay in your post and i didnt notice any imbalance with bulwarks they cost 1200 mass and have 8k life. For 8 k mass of a cybran battleship you can built 7 bulwarks and have a shield with 56k life and absolutely 0 damage packed in small ships with low life vulnerable to subs and anything else. a cybran battleship has 450 dps over 2,5 km range and 47k life. I dont want to fight with 7 shield boats vs a battleship Oo

Serious shield boat has same mass to life relation like a battleship and no weapon. In bigger numbers (>2) you will not win with spamming shield boats. you need some to annoy the enemy but in fact i doubt that it is even useful when you have enough built power to spam battleships to built shield boats. just spam battleships. As usual it would be difficult to test anything since 2 players will never be of same skill or equal position in eco to reproduce something. Shield boats havent been op since their existance so i exclude they are now suddenly op.

A small info additional, reducing the shield bubble range will buff this boat, not nerf it. because of reducing the number of overlapping shields you will not hit lots of shields at once with splash weapons anymore.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 07 Sep 2015, 08:06

Re: Bulwarks.

2015-09-06T03:55:56+02:00

I can see a radius nerf too

We could also look at something more interesting. Perhaps like having torps go straight through? UEF Cooper already has the best torp def, so it wouldn't instantly make UEF navy too weak

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 06 Sep 2015, 03:55