Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Canceled

2015-07-01T21:44:32+02:00

I think you would get valid test results for him. Let me know if you want me to be your test dummy... you know how I micro .

Statistics: Posted by Ionic — 01 Jul 2015, 21:44

Re: Canceled

2015-07-01T19:09:18+02:00

What Zock may want (ask him) is someone to make a suggestion to him and ask if he would be interested in testing the result. Do the coding and give to Zock. This would likely allow the change to be made quickly for Zock.

Statistics: Posted by Ionic — 01 Jul 2015, 19:09

Re: Canceled

2015-07-01T16:22:59+02:00

So you do want help? If so - send your ideas.

Statistics: Posted by Korbah — 01 Jul 2015, 16:22

Re: Canceled

2015-07-01T16:10:31+02:00

Easier to test......if you can code or get him to code for you

I can code and test

You're also assuming I have nothing to offer - even if you & Zock have excellent skills at balancing and gameplay design this is a complex game with thousands of variables and dozens of units. A gambling man would be betting that you miss something.

Statistics: Posted by Korbah — 01 Jul 2015, 16:10

Re: Canceled

2015-07-01T15:56:03+02:00

I don't think having Zock as a councillor is a reason to cancel your project

A well considered list of changes would be useful for him to peruse. There's many excellent scattered ideas posted here in the forums - collating them, sorting them, distilling the key ideas and producing a new list of really excellent changes would be of benefit to all.

I'd be happy to work with you and discuss your ideas. PM me

Statistics: Posted by Korbah — 01 Jul 2015, 15:56

Re: Canceled

2015-07-01T06:39:55+02:00

If you make a balance mod then it helps out in two ways: People can see the actual impact of changes being discussed, and it's also very, very easy to implement.

Statistics: Posted by ZenTractor — 01 Jul 2015, 06:39

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T20:42:05+02:00

Listen, I'm all for anyone coming up with a balance mod; just don't go telling the community you're getting input from 'list of recognizable names,' ...When you haven't actually had a conversation about your mod and it's balance ideas, with these people...

I'm sorry if you feel I'm trying to debunk your balance mod efforts. No, I'm simply taking care of transparency and accuracy - You want to create a mod, go ahead we'd love you for even trying! Just be aware that you can't spout a bunch of names just to give better reception and approval for your ideas in your balance mod if those people haven't actually collaborated with you...

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 29 Jun 2015, 20:42

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T20:01:51+02:00

briang wrote:
"Well the only balance mods so far are massively radical and have no possibility of being integrated. I am not doing this alone... I have some 8+ players at 2k or above who are giving me input. The purpose of this mod is to fix the glaring issues with fixes that I think almost everybody will agree on."

"Name a 2k and I can almost guarantee I have bounced some idea off of them."

"Gala BH Foley Blodir Zock Joly, that is just who is on Skype right now xD and asked all of them about 2 or more of their opinions on one of the things on my list."

No no no, back up there cowboy; The point YOU were trying to make was: You "are not doing this alone" and having valuable input from respected(in regards to player skill/balance paradigm) community members.

So you said, you have 2k+ rated players giving you input. This is what I wanted to confirm for accuracy sake and so the community would not be mislead; You then tried to dismiss it by saying, "Name a 2k and I can almost guarantee I have bounced some idea off of them."

I never claimed to have received response from everybody I'd asked.

Umm, then what did you mean when you said,

I have some 8+ players at 2k or above who are giving me input

For further clarification, this was galas response.
"[AoS]galacticfear:
hmmmm got ideas from maybe, but I not really said anything to him about it

[VoR]Com:
I called bs, asked for names

[AoS]galacticfear:
yeah it is bs"

My point is, and will continue to be - don't make shit up to make your stuff seem more relevant.

Also, my inflammatory(definition:tending to arouse anger, hostility, passion, etc) posts contributes greatly to this thread as it clarifies: you have not received input from players that you said "are giving you input."

Don't get upset with me just because I investigated the reality of your statements.

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 29 Jun 2015, 20:01

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T19:00:17+02:00

These are the first people to respond when I quoted you...

"[e]Blodir:
he did ask but i did not really give any feedback yet maybe i will in the near future but tbh im just really tired of talking balance
12:22
[e]Blodir:
because it doesnt lead anywhere at the moment"

"Zockyzock:
i get asked a lot stuff, that is true"

^^^^^ [That really sounds like, and implies; Yes he was asked - but that's was the end of it. Same for other 2 people tbh]

"[BC]Blackheart:
?????
12:51

[BC]Blackheart:
no ofc not

[VoR]Com:
lol. He's making that claim in the forums

[BC]Blackheart:
he asked me some cancer i replied TLDR and ignored him"

So that's 3/6 of the people you mentioned. Only people who were online/replied. Not good results so far...

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 29 Jun 2015, 19:00

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T17:59:42+02:00

That's not how this works. You say you have input from high up community people - we ask you who. When you don't provide, I simply conclude that you don't have the input of high ranked players... Sadly.

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 29 Jun 2015, 17:59

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T17:43:33+02:00

Who are these 8+ players at 2k or above?

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 29 Jun 2015, 17:43

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T16:46:16+02:00

I think that the main issue with balance mods is that nobody agrees on every single change in the mod, that's why a balance team should get a mandate to change stuff (listening to the community of course). I don't know why this hasn't been done yet, but every single person and their mothers making a balance mod isn't going to do anything to speed up the process (except for making it possible to copy/paste a desired change by before-mentioned balance team).

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 29 Jun 2015, 16:46

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-29T15:29:53+02:00

t2 transports: maybe HP boost like +500?they mostly fly agains ASF and Swifts and so they die in second, I like drops and would be nice to see more drops

cybran cloak upgrade: cheeper, similar to Sera nano, for HP boost and for cloak it would consume like 9 000 e/s?(same change for SACU)

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 29 Jun 2015, 15:29

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-28T22:48:23+02:00

I AM ITHILIS

>Everythink you say is in my mode already, jast play equilibrium and you see fix for all that and more

on a slightly more serious note, all these have been discussed to no end already, and this is the 3rd (4th) time they are mentioned in a balance thread here.

so please mention differences in your approach to the other ones, rather than repeating it all again.

as for my opinion, all of these have fixes in both the (Icedreamers) balance preview and ithilises balance mod, and i agree with what both of those mods provide.

and since you don't want to read what they do, heres my opinion (again) : D
t3 air - too much cheese with strat rush, and too little depends on map control and situation, if you win air, you win it for probably the whole game. also sucks that you can only use other air units if you win air.
t3 navy - uef op as every other person will say. because of: cooper, BC , BS , Shield boat.
sera tml acu - op as everyone will say, because 3hp on missile, and can be rushed in teamgames, and useful for killing eco and as combat, and flies over uef/aeon tmd
UEF TML - same problem as above, but better flight path, proper aoe, less useful for combat, generally much more balanced, but still annoying cos you can rush it and 4 people have to also ruin eco to rush tmd, or all mex die to it.
sera land - othuum is a bad joke,

as for whats left out, well if anyone bothers to reply i think they will all offer something thats left out/could be better

so here's my thing, i could list a lot more if you want: cybran tml and how you can rush it just like acu tml and then snipe tmd if its alone. sure its not quite as good, but not far off.

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 28 Jun 2015, 22:48

Re: Making A Balance Mod

2015-06-28T22:36:12+02:00

Well you aren't the first with this idea..... and I'm not sure you'll get far with it, but sure I'll play along.

Biggest thing you are missing on your balance list is SCUs, otherwise personally I don't see a problem with t2 seraphim land (though admittedly I don't play them a ton), and I've made my thoughts on air pretty clear elsewhere (balance triangle = best but not possible as far as I can tell without messing up a bunch of stuff).

Statistics: Posted by Rogueleader89 — 28 Jun 2015, 22:36