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Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-06-01T21:17:20+02:00

theeggroll wrote:
Why rush rhinos for theta? Hopelites shred auroras if Microd correctly + they outrange acu

Not sure; I'm not a perfect, grand example of a player. I'm more focused on getting a good "t2 fact rush" detailed out rather the unit/micro choice. It's something I don't do often unless it's against a less-experienced player where I can make a mistake and still pull a victory out of no where.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 Jun 2015, 21:17

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-06-01T19:47:16+02:00

Why rush rhinos for theta? Hopelites shred auroras if Microd correctly + they outrange acu

Statistics: Posted by theeggroll — 01 Jun 2015, 19:47

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-06-01T17:10:52+02:00

That piece is written fairly well (not done yet reading fyi), although I have to admit written text is not the best for a real-time game. I would advise getting a simple video editor to show some examples of heavily-micro'ed operations such as "kiting with stealth hoplites" to show how to move the units around properly.

For written text to be useful you should take on examples of how to properly rush t2 land factories on a map like theta passage.

My general response to Aeon on theta passage is to either get jesters (EXTREMELY USEFUL ON THIS MAP) or rush t2 land.

Meta for t2 land rush on theta:

1) 1st land fact, grab 3 mexes with comm
2) send first engie to hydro, build with comm assist, build 2 pgens, send comm to middle mass
3) Build a second land fact to get about 10-15 mantis on the field to hold off early attacks while waiting for t2 land to finish
4) use other engies/comm to expand, grab free mass, etc; keep two-three engies at home assisting the t2 land fact ugrade
5) once t2 land fact is done IMMEDIATELY stop the other t1 land facts until about 3-4 rhinos (with scouts to use their range) are on the field, then restart them to build engies and medusa
6) DO NOT DIRECTLY ENGAGE AEON ACU. A decent Aeon player will use OC with packs of aurora to push hard. You want to take out point mexes and cripple the eco to halt aeon production rather take out an army
7) It could go anywhere from here... you will need to play a lot to gain experience and react such as getting vipers to counter a t2 pd creep.... The possibilities are quite numerous

Even with precise instructions it's still infinitely useful to put it to practice rather reading it...

Heck about a couple months ago I figured you just need the first RAS on sera or aeon ACU to get a strat out faster than previously done. It gets built slower, but overall the time to get a t3 bomber was quicker. You don't need the absolute dead-nuts eco balance to get results ; )

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 Jun 2015, 17:10

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-05-03T10:58:36+02:00

Well useless was a strong word, but they can be easily countered and don't really hurt Obsidians until they've kited a long way back (if they use Asylums, can you damage them at all?). If you need to read this guide (which no one probably will if we're going to be realistic), chances are you'll also f*** up the kiting at some point during extended kiting, and that's gg with Hoplites.

I'll add the tips about Medusa and guncom too.

Statistics: Posted by Sir Prize — 03 May 2015, 10:58

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-05-03T10:48:13+02:00

I don't agree with hoplites being useless once aeon goes t2. They are rather speedy, have great range and can be stealthed.
Obsidians are are unsuited for fighting them due to the range + stealth, blazes can catch them but are weak to other units.

With UEF, to prevent an attack (since you cannot hold a position vs obsidians with rangebots) you use a gun upgraded acu , which can only be in one place, but with cybran, you can have gun and many medusa, + stealth.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 03 May 2015, 10:48

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-05-03T10:12:47+02:00

I dunno if you read it but the stuff about Hoplites is there - as is the problem with making Hoplites, they are useless once Aeon goes T2. Loyalists are also there mentioned as good against T2. Later I might rearrange a little bit so the countering Aeon stuff is all in the same place.

Statistics: Posted by Sir Prize — 03 May 2015, 10:12

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-28T02:31:01+02:00

As a cybran player, I think they are the best counter to aeon. Kiting with hoplites is DEADLY to auroras, since the splash kills them as they are bunched up, stealth can keep your opponent on their feet for this kiting, and Shift + g with mantis into a hoard of auroras works really well. Using Shift + G is key if you want to push on your opponent, you get a lot of mantis into range very quickly and they shred auroras to bits. Also Loyalists can easily counter all t2 aeon units, which is another good method for kiting

Statistics: Posted by theeggroll — 28 Apr 2015, 02:31

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-19T18:03:39+02:00

Cybran guide is done in draft form, I hope some better-than-me players can have a good look and improve it a bit.

Statistics: Posted by Sir Prize — 19 Apr 2015, 18:03

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-17T12:40:20+02:00

RoLa wrote:
speed2 wrote:what about stopping spam and actually write something usefull?
You are right!

I am not an expert, but i would add a thing:

"kill the Auroras from the sky - "
> use split attack (SHIFT+G) from bombers to kill them efficiently
"Or get Tech 2 before your enemy either starts to get dominance with Auroras or their own Tech 2"

http://wiki.faforever.com/index.php?tit ... Guide#Aeon

I think the split attack with t1 bombers is very effective against players of my rating(1200) including myself playing mostly aeon.You just need to send 4 bombers and they will almost always kill a group of 8 -12 Tanks. Against Auroras it's even more devastating. Even in the early t2 stage it's an option.

Oh man. The fact that I forgot to add "make bombers" to the Cybran 1v1 guide in the part for dealing with Aeon T1 is pretty shameful... I'm going to finish this guide off now, then maybe start expanding on the Aeon one.

Statistics: Posted by Sir Prize — 17 Apr 2015, 12:40

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-07T15:27:57+02:00

speed2 wrote:
what about stopping spam and actually write something usefull?

You are right!

I am not an expert, but i would add a thing:

"kill the Auroras from the sky - "
> use split attack (SHIFT+G) from bombers to kill them efficiently
"Or get Tech 2 before your enemy either starts to get dominance with Auroras or their own Tech 2"

http://wiki.faforever.com/index.php?tit ... Guide#Aeon

I think the split attack with t1 bombers is very effective against players of my rating(1200) including myself playing mostly aeon.You just need to send 4 bombers and they will almost always kill a group of 8 -12 Tanks. Against Auroras it's even more devastating. Even in the early t2 stage it's an option.

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 07 Apr 2015, 15:27

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-07T15:09:37+02:00

what about stopping spam and actually write something usefull?

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 07 Apr 2015, 15:09

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-07T15:05:53+02:00

Code:: FOR EACH PLAYER IN GAME.PLAYERS IF PLAYER.FACTION=CYBRAN PLAYER.INTRO.SUBTITLE="Misclicked and went Cybran" GYLE_CAST = CAST(GAME) EXECUTE=GYLE_CAST

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 07 Apr 2015, 15:05

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-03T21:47:53+02:00

zeroAPM wrote:
Sovietpride wrote:IF_FACTION=AEON
SCENARIO=DEFEAT
EXECUTE=HONOURABLE SUDOKU

IF_FACTION=NOT_AEON
SCENARIO=VS_AEON
QUERY=RIVER?
IF_QUERY=TRUE
EXECUTE=GG_AURORA_OP

IF_QUERY=FALSE
EXECUTE=HARBINGER_UBER_ALLES

END_STRING

IF_FACTION=UEF
EXECUTE=TURTLE
EXECUTE=SWITCH_FACTION

IF_FACTION=CYBRAN
EXECUTE=SPAM_MANTIS

Invalid sequence;

IF_FACTION=CYBRAN
EXECUTE=BEETLE_SNIPE_PROTOCOL

Statistics: Posted by Ceneraii — 03 Apr 2015, 21:47

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-03T21:41:59+02:00

Sovietpride wrote:
IF_FACTION=AEON
SCENARIO=DEFEAT
EXECUTE=HONOURABLE SUDOKU

IF_FACTION=NOT_AEON
SCENARIO=VS_AEON
QUERY=RIVER?
IF_QUERY=TRUE
EXECUTE=GG_AURORA_OP

IF_QUERY=FALSE
EXECUTE=HARBINGER_UBER_ALLES

END_STRING

IF_FACTION=UEF
EXECUTE=TURTLE
EXECUTE=SWITCH_FACTION

IF_FACTION=CYBRAN
EXECUTE=SPAM_MANTIS

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 03 Apr 2015, 21:41

Re: Factional 1v1 Guides

2015-04-03T17:45:10+02:00

IF_FACTION=AEON
SCENARIO=DEFEAT
EXECUTE=HONOURABLE SUDOKU

IF_FACTION=NOT_AEON
SCENARIO=VS_AEON
QUERY=RIVER?
IF_QUERY=TRUE
EXECUTE=GG_AURORA_OP

IF_QUERY=FALSE
EXECUTE=HARBINGER_UBER_ALLES

END_STRING

Statistics: Posted by Sovietpride — 03 Apr 2015, 17:45