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Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-24T07:45:45+02:00

Here is some good advice for 1v1: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=10081#p101490

Statistics: Posted by biass — 24 Mar 2016, 07:45

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-23T23:59:14+02:00

Good advice indeed, codepants.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 23 Mar 2016, 23:59

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-23T19:50:47+02:00

Well said.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 23 Mar 2016, 19:50

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-23T18:59:59+02:00

Hope you got a trainer and are all squared away, but in case not --

There are a few things that I think transition people from being "okay" to being "good" and then "great." This is just my opinion, other people may feel differently, and many will, of course be situation-dependent. Also, I'm only a lowly 1400, so take this all with a grain of salt.

Most have to deal with the idea of exponential growth. You have to understand that your economy grows exponentially. Thus, getting 1 or two mexes up on your opponent early game can have a multiplicative effect late game, and denying him/her 1 or two for a few minutes the same. To this effect:
- Don't over- or under-build power. Until you get your first t2 pgen there's never any reason to have a full bar. Overbuilding 200 power = 10 pgens = 750 mass = 15 tanks you do not have that your opponent does.
- On large multiplayer maps, start your first t2 mex early. Many people start as soon as they finish their hydro.
- Very early aggression pays off more often than not (first LAB, first tank, first bomber, etc). The longer you wait, the less effective it will be (3 engies then lab = lab will probably die).
- If you don't use units (like if you have t1 tanks leftover when t2 phase is well along), ctrl+k and reclaim them.

Lastly, a few random things that I've found useful:
- Most players under 1200 will react poorly to gunships or bombers -- building too much AA, sacrificing air control to kill them, or not building any AA or inties at all. Raiding with t2 gunships is, IMO, often underutilized and underestimated.
- In a multiplayer game, you can (and often should) build your own air. Your getting mercy sniped is always your fault. An air player that is everywhere at once is a bonus, not a standard.
- If you start upgrading your ACU, assist with an engie, then pause your ACU, the upgrade will continue with the build power of the engie. This a great way to get early upgrades without having to build much power.
- If you don't scout, you can't react. If you can't react, you will lose.
- Leaving things on repeat can be costly. Ex: mid- to late game people often leave scouts on repeat. A scout is 40 mass and builds from a t1 air fac in 6 seconds. Over 10 minutes you have spent 4000 mass - enough for more than 3 Percivals or 2 t2 mexes or most of a t3 mex. From a t3 air fac, quadruple that.

Good luck!

Statistics: Posted by codepants — 23 Mar 2016, 18:59

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T19:32:51+02:00

Umm what, for once briang isn't being overly aggressive and he still gets in trouble
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Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 11 Mar 2016, 19:32

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T05:29:49+02:00

Thanks for the help everyone, I'll be sure to see if you guys are online next time I'm playing.

Statistics: Posted by TheCanadianJedi — 11 Mar 2016, 05:29

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T05:26:17+02:00

Well if you were new and gave good advice I would have nothing to say, but you aren't giving good advice. In 12 months you'll come back and read some of the stuff you're posting now and just facepalm.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 11 Mar 2016, 05:26

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T05:03:58+02:00

TheCanadianJedi wrote:
TheKoopa wrote:Calm down guys, no need to be so aggressive. Especially you Lichking.

EDIT: godamn autocorrect

Did I cause something here? Really hope I didn't cause a big argument.

No argument. I tried to give an advice and briang, as usual, jumped at it as a possibility to say I am too immature to advise newcomers. Btw Koopa, I am usually calm. And I don't demonstrate it on forums for sure.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 11 Mar 2016, 05:03

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T05:02:11+02:00

TheCanadianJedi wrote:
TheKoopa wrote:Calm down guys, no need to be so aggressive. Especially you Lichking.

EDIT: godamn autocorrect

Did I cause something here? Really hope I didn't cause a big argument.

Not really, it was mostly this

LichKing2033 wrote:
briang wrote:You can't make blanket statements about needing X eco to complete Y action. That is entirely map and game situation dependent. There is a balance between hitting the T2 mex button and units that even the best players don't get right 100% of the time. The more you play the more you'll feel it out. If you ever feel like getting into Seton's pm me on the client or the forums.

(Ladder first is the best choice)

Nice stalking of my posts, briang.

Anyway, I can train you the basics so you can start getting the hang of the game. Message ISuckAtFAF.

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 11 Mar 2016, 05:02

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T04:58:07+02:00

TheKoopa wrote:
Calm down guys, no need to be so aggressive. Especially you Lichking.

EDIT: godamn autocorrect

Did I cause something here? Really hope I didn't cause a big argument.

Statistics: Posted by TheCanadianJedi — 11 Mar 2016, 04:58

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T04:42:11+02:00

Well you are giving bad advice and I would've posted the same thing whether or not I had something of yours to refute. I don't argue with you for the sake of arguing, if I argue with someone it's because I think (in your case know) you're wrong.

You seem like you're here to have your ideas tested, so I will oblidge. Welcome to the big time.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 11 Mar 2016, 04:42

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T03:34:11+02:00

Calm down guys, no need to be so aggressive. Especially you Lichking.

EDIT: godamn autocorrect

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 11 Mar 2016, 03:34

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-11T02:14:27+02:00

briang wrote:
You can't make blanket statements about needing X eco to complete Y action. That is entirely map and game situation dependent. There is a balance between hitting the T2 mex button and units that even the best players don't get right 100% of the time. The more you play the more you'll feel it out. If you ever feel like getting into Seton's pm me on the client or the forums.

(Ladder first is the best choice)

Nice stalking of my posts, briang.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 11 Mar 2016, 02:14

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-10T05:26:05+02:00

You can't make blanket statements about needing X eco to complete Y action. That is entirely map and game situation dependent. There is a balance between hitting the T2 mex button and units that even the best players don't get right 100% of the time. The more you play the more you'll feel it out. If you ever feel like getting into Seton's pm me on the client or the forums.

(Ladder first is the best choice)

Statistics: Posted by briang — 10 Mar 2016, 05:26

Re: Trying to at least be decent, help?

2016-03-10T05:05:25+02:00

TheCanadianJedi wrote:
So I just recently got into playing FAF online against other players, minus a few games with friends of course. And I keep falling behind in eco, and as a result fall behind in military or tech. I just can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've looked at so many tutorials and asked/been given advice from other experience players to no avail. Some of the posts I've seen here say that you should 1v1 a sorian AI before you hop into multiplayer. I'm thinking of trying that once I get my eco tactics up, but truth to be told I'm nervous. Anyway I'll post of replay of one of my best games if you guys would like to try and give me tips. Even in this replay I had eco troubles. This was against 3 adaptive AI btw. I probably sound like such a noob, hopefully this will not be the case for much longer.

You posted a pretty good game. But yes, you do overbuild power and when you have mass stalls, you do not pause production to fix the situation, you just keep going with no positive result. Also, 2-3 T2 mexes for a massive T2 spam is too little. You need to have ALL your mexes at T2 and some at T3 to spam T2 effectively. Use T1 AA or flak to defend your expansions against air drops. Or T1/T2 PD, for the heck of it.
And attach a few more replays, against people.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 10 Mar 2016, 05:05