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Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-03-25T18:40:47+02:00

Morax wrote:
LichKing2033 wrote:Theeggroll said "make flak and spam inties". Theoretically, T2 fighter/bomber is a stronger equivalent to T1 interceptor. That is why I said "counter Janus with Janus".

LichKing2033 wrote:
Theoretically

I don't know why it's a theory.

Interceptor: 50 mass, 50 dps to air = 1 mass per dps
Janus: 420 mass, 75 dps to air = 5 mass per dps
(same speed (15))

Therefore for the sole purpose of fighting other air units, Janus are 5x as expensive. You can build 8 inties for the cost of 1 janus but janus only have ~4x as much health (300 vs 1100), so health-wise they are twice as expensive.

Statistics: Posted by codepants — 25 Mar 2016, 18:40

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-03-19T23:21:20+02:00

[quote="briang"]Land, Air, and Naval units are best countered by other units of their same medium. Sky Boxers worj fine but inties can be anywhere they need to be quickly and they are more efficient.[/quote]

Agreed.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 19 Mar 2016, 23:21

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-03-19T23:23:33+02:00

Land, Air, and Naval units are best countered by other units of their same medium. Sky Boxers work fine but inties can be anywhere they need to be quickly and they are more efficient.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 18 Mar 2016, 22:00

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-03-18T21:41:38+02:00

Exotic_Retard wrote:
best part is that theory is ultra wrong as well xD

I understand the part about Janus vs. inties. But where is my theory of "Sky boxers and Pillars" wrong?

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 18 Mar 2016, 21:41

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-03-18T18:43:52+02:00

best part is that theory is ultra wrong as well xD

heres a much better theory:

unit efficiency ~= (hp*dps)/(masscost ^ 1.62) for units with the same mass/energy ratios, in large numbers.
inties: 26.3
jAnus bombers: 10.25

so mass for mass its abundantly clear whats better. in terms of numbers thats 5 janus vs 42 inties. need i say more? : D
(for non believers that means ~35 inties left after that joke.)

being a theory, we can use this to make predictions. how much will a janus need to cost to have the same efficiency? lets find out.

26.3 = (hp*dps)/(masscost ^ 1.62)
masscost^1.62 = (hp*dps)/26.3 => 233 mass

so that means 5 janus vs 23 fighters should draw more or less.

in reality its not so easy because janus have their primary weapon as bombs. so they actually f*** up their first turn = useless anyway. (also air depends more on micro than anything else these days)
however if you use attack command on landed inties you get left with 2 inties or so.
so there we are. the theory made an accurate prediction (this is also air and that one was tuned for land stuffs)

and thats just one of the balance theories used in equilibrium for you.

hope you found this educational

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 18 Mar 2016, 18:43

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-03-18T17:20:30+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Theeggroll said "make flak and spam inties". Theoretically, T2 fighter/bomber is a stronger equivalent to T1 interceptor. That is why I said "counter Janus with Janus".

LichKing2033 wrote:
Theoretically

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 18 Mar 2016, 17:20

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-28T18:43:16+02:00

I saw the replay and a while after I am thinking: If Providence saw his enemy going mostly air, then why didn't he get flak ASAP, a T2 radar all over the map and a shield for his commander? That'd save his ass against those few januses. Inties would be the solution. Or you can just make an army of Pillars and Sky Boxers and go to red's base and wreck it to pieces! Januses are not that effective against Sky Boxers and Pillars would toast the eco to make any. I saw that Prov had a T1 army very close to red base. Why not reinforce that army with more and wreck his base with T1 spam? Prov had the means to do so.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 28 Feb 2016, 18:43

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-25T22:04:55+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Theeggroll said "make flak and spam inties". Theoretically, T2 fighter/bomber is a stronger equivalent to T1 interceptor. That is why I said "counter Janus with Janus".

Just in case Jen wasn't clear, that is only a theory. F/Bs sacrifice much of the "fighting" part for the "bombing" part. Inties are better.

Statistics: Posted by codepants — 25 Feb 2016, 22:04

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-17T15:34:29+02:00

Janus is weaker mass for mass than interceptors in terms of AA.

Statistics: Posted by briang — 17 Feb 2016, 15:34

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-17T16:49:44+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
T2 fighter/bomber is a stronger equivalent to T1 interceptor

da_monstr wrote:
All T2 fighter/bombers lose horribly to T1 fighters

Except Aeon T2 Combat Fighter .. but it is per se not a fighter/bomber so.. useless Argument

@Topic: Spam Janus = more than 10? .. in fact this is 4200+ Mass.. what was you spending the mass on? .. It's enough for 84+ Inits. I guess those would maybe win against the Janus.

so far

J.

Statistics: Posted by JenZor — 17 Feb 2016, 10:31

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-17T04:35:22+02:00

briang wrote:
LichKing2033 wrote:
theeggroll wrote:no janus literally cant hit any moving units, if you get hit with janus you must be walking into it. But to counter janus spam you do the same thing you do to counter any air spam, make flak and spam intis...

So, counter Janus with Janus? Original idea.

Where in his statement did he say ANYTHING about countering Janus w/ Janus?

Theeggroll said "make flak and spam inties". Theoretically, T2 fighter/bomber is a stronger equivalent to T1 interceptor. That is why I said "counter Janus with Janus".

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 17 Feb 2016, 04:35

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-16T19:10:57+02:00

Beside the fact you were FAR behind his economy, you should have just made more interceptors. All T2 fighter/bombers lose horribly to T1 fighters.

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 16 Feb 2016, 19:10

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-16T16:24:04+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
theeggroll wrote:no janus literally cant hit any moving units, if you get hit with janus you must be walking into it. But to counter janus spam you do the same thing you do to counter any air spam, make flak and spam intis...

So, counter Janus with Janus? Original idea.

Where in his statement did he say ANYTHING about countering Janus w/ Janus?

Statistics: Posted by briang — 16 Feb 2016, 16:24

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-16T15:30:41+02:00

theeggroll wrote:
no janus literally cant hit any moving units, if you get hit with janus you must be walking into it. But to counter janus spam you do the same thing you do to counter any air spam, make flak and spam intis...

So, counter Janus with Janus? Original idea.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 16 Feb 2016, 15:30

Re: Is there a way to counter Janus spam?

2016-02-13T06:54:24+02:00

no janus literally cant hit any moving units, if you get hit with janus you must be walking into it. But to counter janus spam you do the same thing you do to counter any air spam, make flak and spam intis...

Statistics: Posted by theeggroll — 13 Feb 2016, 06:54