Ionic wrote:
1v1 stinks,

That sounds like a reasonable figure. However, there is one side effect with reducing the build time. In that the assisting engineers would be made more effective, in proportion to the factory itself.

BRNKoINSANITY wrote:
If you look st exactly what I proposed, it was an increase the tier 2 naval factories only due to the ridiculously long build times and low mass draw. Some one else suggested simply lowering tier 2 naval built times across the board and I think that is a better option. At this time building a tier 2 destroyer only draws 9 mass and takes over 4 minutes to build. T3 tanks draw around 16 mass, and I think that should be the target area for build time/power adjustments.

Alpharius wrote:
If the factory then has allot of build power - won't it compete with some engi spam you got going elsewhere?

But that way your factory takes forever to build vs building the factory and adding engies as they come out and you build a ship all the time.

Firewall wrote:
I would rather increase the build power of the factory; rather then the build time of the unit. In which case, the build time, mass cost and energy cost of the factory itself should be increased - prorata on a T1 engineer basis. Essentially what you would do is put the engineers "inside" the factory, and increase the cost of the factory by that same ammount.

Which means:
T1 engineer = 52m + 260e + 260bt + 5bp + 120hp

* (bp = build power, m = mass, e = energy, bt = build time, hp = hit points)

To account for the different build times at T2 and T3, and have them pumping out at a similar rate to a T1 sea factory. We need a build power of 100 at T2 and a whopping 300 At T3!

New stats would therefore be as follows:
T2 Sea fac = 1794m + 8520e + 4920bt + 100bp + 17440hp (Aeon)
T3 Sea fac = 7750m + 36400e + 20200bt + 300bp + 43500hp (Aeon)

I have actually been developing a mod, on my own, which has a secondary upgrade path for build power. Essentially, in my mod, you add build power with another upgrade... A similar adjustment could be made to the factories in engie mod - because lets face it. 40 Build power for a T2 factory, or 60 for T3 is pretty pathetic. Similar adjustments can also be made for land and air factories as well. I can post the figures if anyone is interested.

Note - of course there are upsides and downsides vs engineer assisting.
Pros: Your build power is less suceptible to raiding. You also get the advantage of adjacency applied to the full build power.
Cons: Your build power is less flexible, and cannot be used for Experimentals and special projects.

PS: This is what is required to pump units out at the same rate to T1. If a slightly lower rate were desired, the changes could be made less drastic. But still: Cost needs to be factored into the factories build power change. To make it balance with T1 engie spam. The exact build powers would be a matter for in game testing.