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Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-23T23:47:05+02:00

Something I like to see:

In the score screen; the graphs don't show any early-game details for longer games. If the y-axis scale was logarithmic, it would get a lot better.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 23 Dec 2014, 23:47

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-23T22:52:56+02:00

I say; do it!

Anyway; fixing the free upgrades thing is more important.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 23 Dec 2014, 22:52

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-22T17:35:34+02:00

Easier to just turn off the adjacency, it's only a couple of lines of code, and wouldn't be unusual given the sheer number of structures between which there's no adjacency anyway.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 22 Dec 2014, 17:35

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-21T21:55:24+02:00

pip wrote:
BenDover wrote:Some basic builds should remain agreed, but still my own presets would be far more useful than those provided because personally I've never used a single one of them.

If you just use RAS and Tele SCU, these presets can be added when adjacency imbalance problem is solved.

Random thought- could we just chance the shape of the gateway to make adjacency impossible on gateways?
(IIRC, that was the reason we avoided templates from the get go. Made the powerful units too cheap.)

In theory, if the gateway building also had little wall sections jetting off it, there would be no open spots to attach pgens/massfabs to -thus solving the adjacency problem.
To clarify, I don't mean adding random wall sections to the template that could be reclaimed later. They would be part of the building or otherwise non-removable. Minor concern with increasing building size and this isn't the perfect solution... but if it would work.

/Random thoughts.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 21 Dec 2014, 21:55

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-21T20:59:50+02:00

That would be much appreciated

Statistics: Posted by BenDover — 21 Dec 2014, 20:59

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T22:34:53+02:00

BenDover wrote:
Some basic builds should remain agreed, but still my own presets would be far more useful than those provided because personally I've never used a single one of them.

If you just use RAS and Tele SCU, these presets can be added when adjacency imbalance problem is solved.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 20 Dec 2014, 22:34

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T21:50:17+02:00

Some basic builds should remain agreed, but still my own presets would be far more useful than those provided because personally I've never used a single one of them.

Statistics: Posted by BenDover — 20 Dec 2014, 21:50

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T20:50:24+02:00

BenDover wrote:
Can't you just let players create their own presets much like building templates?
Meaning I build one SCU upgrade it the way I want click "add as preset" on it and then I could build as many as I want straight from the quantum gateway?

If there is a way to add custom presets the same as buildings templates wthout removing the current presets, I'm all for it. It should not replace the current system which is more user friendly for beginners, with additional build menus directly in the Quantum Gateway which is otherwise empty, rather than in the tiny and not so obvious template queue list.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 20 Dec 2014, 20:50

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T20:28:37+02:00

BenDover wrote:
Can't you just let players create their own presets much like building templates?
Meaning I build one SCU upgrade it the way I want click "add as preset" on it and then I could build as many as I want straight from the quantum gateway?

That's another great way to do it. I'm sure it can be arranged.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 20 Dec 2014, 20:28

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T20:10:34+02:00

Can't you just let players create their own presets much like building templates?
Meaning I build one SCU upgrade it the way I want click "add as preset" on it and then I could build as many as I want straight from the quantum gateway?

Statistics: Posted by BenDover — 20 Dec 2014, 20:10

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T11:55:19+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
Just remove the adjacency bonuses from the Quantum gate so we can make SCU's with RAS or tele from it.

A lot of the presets are kinda weird; a lot have the sensor upgrade thrown in. For what !?

I like the idea of selecting what upgrades you want instead of presets. You simply can't have a preset button for everything. You will probably end up with about 40 presets lol

It's indeed very easy to remove all adjancency (or reduce it a lot) from the Quantum Gateways and it would then also probably fix the balance issues with SCU because when you don't get big energy and mass discounts from adjacency, they are very expensive, much more than t3 units.

The Seraphim Sensor Upgrade is also their range upgrade, that's why.
As for UEF Intel preset, it combines two available SCU upgrades ( enhanced sensors and jammer). These upgrades just exist and are for support on one or 2 SCU, no more, and to counter Cybran cloaked SCU. If you deem them useless, just don't make this preset, the same way you would not upgrade a SCU with them but there is no need to blame the preset for existing if the upgrades exist.

It's not necessary to have 40 presets, only useful combinations should be made. There is no point to have a preset for everything because not all combinations are useful. RAS with guns? Sacrifice + Nano ? TML + nano / TML + overcharge ? There are probably a couple more presets per SCU (essentially RAS and teleport) that could be useful, that's about 6-7 presets (or 8 presets at the very max) per SCU. And less useful presets can be removed so that the number is not overwhelming.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 20 Dec 2014, 11:55

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-20T09:02:10+02:00

Just remove the adjacency bonuses from the Quantum gate so we can make SCU's with RAS or tele from it.

A lot of the presets are kinda weird; a lot have the sensor upgrade thrown in. For what !?

I like the idea of selecting what upgrades you want instead of presets. You simply can't have a preset button for everything. You will probably end up with about 40 presets lol

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 20 Dec 2014, 09:02

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-16T17:35:22+02:00

Well I don't expect everyone to agree, especially you pip, it's your baby after all. I am sticking to my guns however. Nobody's claiming the presets are worse than before, but I do think they're not the ideal solution. Perhaps Sir Prize got it right, we make a new system AND improve presets to a state where my fussy self is happy. Have them side by side, then if people want to take one and drop the other, that can happen

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 16 Dec 2014, 17:35

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-16T17:26:02+02:00

I think SCUs would work better if I could create my own templates because I rarely use the ones provided. A suicide tele preset would be awesome since that's so op D:

Statistics: Posted by BenDover — 16 Dec 2014, 17:26

Re: Things I'd Like To See

2014-12-16T15:27:01+02:00

zeroAPM wrote:
Or you could lower cost and build time

SCU costs and upgrade costs were reduced already several times, it's about 100 values to adjust, I know, because I'm the one who adjusted them, and it's very time consuming to redo a whole system like this (maybe you should compare what SCU were in 3599 to get the extent of the rework).

The current solution works well, I have yet to hear complains about SCU presets being a bad thing compared to when then didn't exist. People use them more than automated upgrades simply because it's more convenient to assist a Quantum Gate than micro assist all the time for each SCU. That 's why I don't agree to redo a completely different system, that would be more a personal taste and require also all SCU costs and upgrades to be redone yet again to achieve same efficiency as the current system.

It's far more efficient to improve the current system with few presets additions / readjustments (names, upgrades, maybe balance), custom icons for those skilled in Photoshop, etc.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 16 Dec 2014, 15:27