Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-25T03:21:36+02:00

Ithilus-Quo, I would recommend that you learn how to code your own mods. In the hours you have spent writing all this stuff out and arguing with everyone over countless forum posts and threads, you could have been well on your way to knowing how lua tables and hooks work. It is not that hard, it took me maybe an hour of reading and a couple hours practice and I was able to change unit stats like a boss. If you can prove there is a problem and come to the table with a solution we are more than happy to listen. However, long rambling posts about what you think should happen with the game (and which clearly break the balance) are a waste of everyone's time. Please go code your own mod, and if you like it you can upload it to the vault and everyone that likes it can play.

This is getting far too argumentative, and this is not a balance period. Therefore, I am locking the thread.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 25 Jul 2014, 03:21

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-25T02:39:14+02:00

Waste of time replying here people, I don't recommend it. He has a counterargument for everything.

Ithilis - You want it, you do it, but 90% of what you want is too pointless, too hard, or too stupid to go into the main game. Good luck.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 25 Jul 2014, 02:39

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-25T00:18:44+02:00

IceDreamer wrote:
If you're not going to listen to the answer,

This is total not true. Im lisening answer. and im adapt if see it as good point. But this is about what i see as ideal as utopia, mostly because i dont have education and capacity do it yourself. When it is imposible do now i agree, i have no idea how engine work.

I know how this game is balanced, and see where it is wrong. Some point can be extremly mount of work for not so big reward, but in plenty of years what we are playing it little change what make game better worth it. As veterancy. I know that it would not be so extreme mount of work as you say only, because when i was talk with Zep about it, he say me that he change it in past , on cca my idea way but ppl was against, "because it works fine" whitotu try it. So it is not extremly hard make it when someone do it in past Look i work on this topic cca 4 hour only for rewrite it from slovak to english and sumar my individual notes. In total it is cca 10-15 hour of work, i dont believe that rewrite code spend extreme more time as i spend only for wtire this 6 page long topic.

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Regarding Artillery it's widely acknowledged that T3 Mobile is totally fine

Is not fine, because static and more expensive must be better, and we cant make T2 static 99% accurate with 10splash dmg. It is not only about static problem. Of course we can compare it, because when someone build T2 for defense and other mobile for atack that this 2 units would attack on each others, and mobile mass to mass hard win. What is wrong.
ppl see aeon torent ship as "total fine" but is it total lie, it is master crap ship for that price, but styll 90% ppl say you that it is ok, but only on time when dont test it with cheaper comparison.

UEF destoer is crap, and uef navy strong is only because have perfect summit, serafin navy is much more better, and aeon navy is too much better. UEF destroer go extremly easy down, have -20range as aeon, and -150dps less as aeon and -300 hp less as aeon and cost same, with any other bonuses.
When UEF have strong navy then only on T3, but destoer is T2 units, where are wery easy to lose against much better others destoers.

IceDreamer wrote:
An individual unit gaining veterancy in this game is a stroke of luck and should offer only a minor advantage, which it does.

realy? So spiderbot who kill everithing, and live only because instant heal have miror advantage? I cant remember how many game was win/lose only because experimental units was undyable because veterancy. My suggestion is going on make veterancy less important on individual units, but more important on army in general. Think about it.

Im idealist, so when you say me this will never happend, i go through it, but dont change my opinion about :that is it right way, if someone dont say me why it is wrong way. Maybe it is many work for rewriting each from 450 units what are here, but it make game better, and that is what is going on.

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SAKO_X wrote:
also consider that sometimes you dont know there is a problem until its fixed. this is one of those things imo.

exactly

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PS: zeroATM thank you for help me repair my unlogical-no exaktli thinks, but can you pls remove your first post on this topic, it is too long and actual with zero information value, because i repair all what you say me as was wrong. Thanks.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 25 Jul 2014, 00:18

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T23:01:41+02:00

about veterancy:
you can use veterancy to shift the balance of power between techs.

ideally this would mean that t2 kills t1 and get vets from it.
t3 kills t2 and gets vets from it
but since t2 units give a lot more vet than t1, t3 does not get much vet from killing t1. meaning t1 units are better vs t3 than t2 units (as cannon fodder and stuff)
so you need to have all 3 tech levels in a land army.
beautiful.

i was thinking about making the gap wider by making t2 units give 6 vet and t3 give 36, but this mass% idea does a similar thing and actually is quite neat imo.
i think the difference between techs should be a little bit bigger but this is much better than is currently (relatively speaking)

also consider that sometimes you dont know there is a problem until its fixed. this is one of those things imo.

i dont think its hard to make a "veterancy mod" where all veterancy values are adjusted and seeing what happened with engy mod i think balance mods are a good way to test and prepare large changes for implementation.
having said that it will still be a lot of work.

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 24 Jul 2014, 23:01

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T21:07:38+02:00

If you're not going to listen to the answer, why ask the question? If you think you know better, go and do it yourself. Half of the things you want are impossible, or only possible with extremely hacky, unfreindly, inefficient code. For example, carrier units building while moving, get it into your head: It. Cannot. Be. Done. We've been trying to do it in a neat way for 7 years now. It cannot work. Drop it.

Regarding balance, and I know my own balance opinion isn't too highly respected around here either, but a simple glance at your requests shows me that you understand no more than the basics of how this game is balanced. Regarding Artillery it's widely acknowledged that T3 Mobile is totally fine (Some debate about Cybran's, but it's made up for elsewhere) and T2 Static is where the problem lies. The two will NEVER be mass equivalents because the two units fill totally different combat niches. You make the same mistake with the UEF T2 Destroyer. Yes is it the weakest of the four, by a long shot, there's no argument, but the UEF Navy as a whole is arguably the strongest of all in the long run. It varies from game to game and map to map. Sometimes Cybran's immense T2 firepower will stop you. Other times, the weaker UEF Destroyer will hold back the tide just long enough to get Neptunes into play and turn the tide.

Then there are things like Veterancy. The current system works absolutely fine. This game is meant to put zero emphasis on individual units. An individual unit gaining veterancy in this game is a stroke of luck and should offer only a minor advantage, which it does. The exception is the Experimentals, and since they have been balanced around it, changing things now would be an ENORMOUS amount of work for very little gain. That's just the balance... The Veterancy system you want is a huge amount of coding for very little return value. It will never happen. Accept it, and move on.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 24 Jul 2014, 21:07

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T17:08:47+02:00

At first: thanks for your comment and reading.
at second: i try answer and explain.

E8400-CV wrote:
5.4 T3 subs AA nerf
AA 200->100 (air is the primary counter for it, thus it can not have excellent AA capabilities)
No, it's primarily killed by groundattacking Battleships
The AA was already nerfed from 240 (?). Also; the hp was descreased to 4000 (now single-pass killed by T3 torp bombers) and it's range was reduced. It's clear you really don't like the Seraphim, as you wrote earlier in your post.

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E8400-CV wrote:
It's not comparable to shields on other units, since this one can transport a huge amount of units. It can't transport an exp, but it can transport six Rambo SCU's that can kill an exp.

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Apofenas wrote:
You know, pip will not do that. He told that to you a couple times already.

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Apofenas wrote:
4.1.3 rework bombard mode to need to build and pay for missiles
What's the point of building it at all then? It costs 75k power and gets countered by tmds.

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Apofenas wrote:
4.2 field engineer recategorize as a military unit
It's not a military unit and it's rarely gets used as mobile TMD in mix of units. There is just no point for doing so.

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Apofenas wrote:
4.5 T3 Leviathan submarine
Allow it to build TML, max 4 missile in silo, 2HP on missile, 3 AOE, and possibility to fire them all at once (different kind of sniping, as compensation for no nuke submarine)
With this, nomads will lose the last late game base siege option. Even thought it's cost inefficient compare to other factions, there is no other long range naval units other than this sub.

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Apofenas wrote:
T3 strorage -As for me, that is a bad idea. There is a reason, why people don't play t2-t3 storages mod. Same here.

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Apofenas wrote:
1.9 mobile T3 artillery nerf - static comparison
For what? The t3 mobile arty is already the worse thing compare to spearheads or sniper bots.

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Apofenas wrote:
3.5 Destroer buff
torpedo dps 30->60
torpedo range 42/45->60 (same as main cannon)
AA 14,3dps ->50
Makes it too strong in terms of torpedoes. It has to have shit torpedoes bo balance cooper; the range is also too big, so it would rape t1 subs and even fight t2 ones.

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Apofenas wrote:
6.1.0 Wagner torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo defense 1 anti torpedo every 20sec
6.1.1 Brick torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo 2 anti-torpedos every 15sec
Only time Wagner is usefull underwater is, when you don't allow opponent to regen in water, making it anti-torpedo will be even less usefull thing. As for brick, in my opinion, it would be better to put on it anti-torpedo like cooper has and remove it's torps, so it would make sence to build these in naval, but the current Brick stiil has good underwater capabilities, so it's questionable.

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ColonelSheppard wrote:
CONTINENTAL - The reason was, that people were stacking Continentals by rapidly movement'commanding below them, making them an invulnerable airfortress. So the e-drain was increased to specificly nerf that tactic since it would not make THAT much of a difference for normal continental use.

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IceDreamer wrote:
0.1 nomads as official 5th fraction
The Nomads still have a long way to go in terms of balance, and even further in terms of presentation and polish. Ultimately I'd prefer they never be added because they feel very much tacked on rather than part of the game, and will be a huge turn-off for players new to the community.

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IceDreamer wrote:
Team matchmaking will never work with our playerbase. We don't have enough people for it.

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IceDreamer wrote:
0.4 give back leader-board with global rating as was in past. I was likely to compare with others, and know how best players are going on with rating
0.4.1 on leader-board get shift indicator every week, which will show how many position jump on witch direction
No. The changed PilOt made were made for a reason. People were putting far too much into their rating. It's a rating, NOT a ranking. If the system is working properly, it is designed so that your rating stays the same unless you are getting considerably better very quickly.

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IceDreamer wrote:
AIR CRASH - Without a reliable mass-repair system I think this change would just be a pain in the butt rather than greater realism. Do this and the advantage of engaging in friendly airspace is diminished. Not good.

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IceDreamer wrote:
VETERANCY mass point calculation - This seems like an OK idea, but also a pointless one. The Veterancy system in this game is unimportant next to many other factors and works fine as it is. Would be OK, but not worth the time to make the change.

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IceDreamer wrote:
ABOUT INSTANT HEAL

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IceDreamer wrote:
1.9 mobile T3 artillery nerf - static comparison
No. T3 Mobile artillery is totally fine, T2 Static is where the problem lies.

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IceDreamer wrote:
1.11 upgrading building unfair intel
I'm not sure this would work. You're right in that the bug should be fixed, but properly, not with a hacky method like that.

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IceDreamer wrote:
1.13 carrier units + fatboy + tempest
It's impossible. Sorry.

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Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 24 Jul 2014, 17:08

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T11:03:37+02:00

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Ithilis_Quo wrote:
0.1 nomads as official 5th fraction - plenty of people work on this mod for 7 year, actually are better cross fraction balance as are cybrans, not all must like it, but not all like serafin (as I) and I still have no problem play against serafin. Ps: nomads units now loos great! look on them

The Nomads still have a long way to go in terms of balance, and even further in terms of presentation and polish. Ultimately I'd prefer they never be added because they feel very much tacked on rather than part of the game, and will be a huge turn-off for players new to the community.

0.2 team matching system what Zep do, but on some effective model, where is not need w8 4 hour to game. I think that wery easy solution would be:

Get posibility to host team-matching game what occur on "fing game" bracket
random maps from map pool but ppl in game loby would see map, (if is wrong host can rehost) ppl who dont join jet not see a map, name of players, they nationality and they ratings would be invisible what people only see is "player 1 -12" with different colors:
white - less than 30 games or rating less than 800
yellow - rating 801-1300
green - 1301-1800
red - 1801-2300
blue - 2301- blackheart

Team matchmaking will never work with our playerbase. We don't have enough people for it.

0.3 avatar valuation
- player with more than 50 games who on this month get most rating rise get avatar about it this avatar lose when next month dont would have most rating rise again.
- player who beat most higher rating difference get avatar (1v1)
- player in team who beat most higher rating differences get a avatar (all in team must have at least 50 games)

Sure, whatever.

0.4 give back leader-board with global rating as was in past. I was likely to compare with others, and know how best players are going on with rating
0.4.1 on leader-board get shift indicator every week, which will show how many position jump on witch direction

No. The changed PilOt made were made for a reason. People were putting far too much into their rating. It's a rating, NOT a ranking. If the system is working properly, it is designed so that your rating stays the same unless you are getting considerably better very quickly.

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Ithilis_Quo wrote:
1.1 air crash dmg change
on more logical value, for example UEF T3 transport continental who is big like cow take crash damage same like T1 interceptor, that is crazy.
For it i make this formula:

T1 scout 25dmg 0,5aoe,
T1 interceptor 50 dmg 0,5aoe
T1 bomber 100 dmg aoe 1.5
T1 gunship 100dmg aoe 1
T1 transport 100dmg aoe 1,5
T2 = T1 x 2dmg/aoe (mercy, corsar... = bomber)
T3 = T2x2 = T1 x 4dmg/aoe

Without a reliable mass-repair system I think this change would just be a pain in the butt rather than greater realism. Do this and the advantage of engaging in friendly airspace is diminished. Not good.

1.2 veterancy system rework
veterancy point get not by tech level of destroying units, but depend of mass cost of that unit. Is big difference destroy scout and frigate/battleship.

1.2.1 veteranc point get on 2% mass cost of destroying units and 1% on experimental units.
Example: kill a striker 56x0.02 = 1.12 veterancy point; kill T2 heavy tank 200x0.02 = 4 point; kill T1 Land Scout 8x0.02 = 0.16 point, T2 = destroyer 2250x0.02 = 45 points; T4 GC = 27500x0.01 = 275point
Reason: only tech level of units dont show difficulty to destroy concrete unit. mass value does.

This seems like an OK idea, but also a pointless one. The Veterancy system in this game is unimportant next to many other factors and works fine as it is. Would be OK, but not worth the time to make the change.

1.2.2 not instant heal after receiving veterancy level
veteran level get bonus maximum HP, and bonus regeneration. regeneration bonus increase on cca 140% as is now.
regeneration schedule:
T1: +1/2/3/4/5 ->+3/4/5/6/7
T2: +2/4/6/8/10 ->+6/8/10/12/14
T3: +3/6/9/12/15 ->+9/12/15/18/21
T4: +10/20/30/40/50 ->+15/30/45/60/75
naval units:
T1N: +1/2/3/4/5 -> +3/6/9/12/15
T2N: +5/10/15/20/25 -> +5/10/15/20/25
T3N: +5/10/15/20/25 -> +7/14/21/28/35

Experimental units start with regeneration
structure/air +25hp/sec
Land/naval +15hp/sec

Reasult: No regeneration and regeneration bonus (after veteran level up) differences on same class units depend on fraction as it is now. And remove regeneration bonus chaos on naval and some another units. (T1 naval have veteran regen as T1 units, T2 have as total different tech units, and T3 have same as T2, on land it is more simply and predictable, but we have plenty of exemption which have no sense) More clear, more simply and more logical system.
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 01,XSA0402
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 01,UEL0401

No. The game has been balanced around instant HP boosts, and as much as I don't like the concept, changing this now would be irreparably damage the game's balance.

1.2.3 units with shield have small-big disadvantage after receiving veterancy. for this reason get them on same value as are units whiteout shield. For advantage what is going from shield they pay energy, dont let them pay for same things twice.
This is most radical see on fatboy, who is not cheaper units, but on vet level get only +1250hp where simply Percival for half kills receive +930hp, and GC for similar price get +10 000 HP
= units with shield receive more hp depend on how many % of they total armor is shield. but i would be same as other units
example: fatboy have 12500hp+20000shield = 32500 on vet receive + 3250hp instead of 1250 as it is now.
example2: obsidian have 1250+1500shield = +275HP on vet instead of +125 as it is now. look on sera Isvahor, same cost, but receive 2x more hp on vet for total no reason.

Nice catch, this is actually fairly important. Some will argue that having a shield makes up for this, but most of the time the shield doesn't have a chance to regenerate and be used properly like that.

1.3 submerged units
all submerged units float on seabed, for not be possible ground-fire submerge units in deep water, especially HARM tempest and submarine, it break balance and it is stupid.

No. It's not stupid, it's part of the game, it's proving damned near impossible to change it anyway, it adds depth to the gameplay, and allows for inventive and intelligent use of the tools given to the player. There are many other ways to power up weaker units.

1.4 T2submarine buff
+15%dps
submarines are nearly useless, destroyer is better choice as submarine sadly on primary submarine role too.
1.4.1 destroyer torpedo/deep charge nerf
range 45->42
with very well micro submarine out-range destroyers, but 3 range differences is extreme hard micro
1.4.1.1 serafine destroyer in submerge form have same 45range

In general you're right, the Destroyers need a Torpedo nerf, or the Subs need a significant buff. Destroyer spam is far too strong at present.

1.7 T3 Energy storage
size 1, price 500mass 24000e build time 400, 2000 death explosion on 5 range
provide +20 000e storage, and possibility to link with E plant with 250% bonus when is full storage on all side.
[i](on past was remove storage function on factory because want to make OC more interesting, but on this reason we have plenty mass stored and nearly none storage energy. This building bring more stored energy back, dont break early OC balance, and bring T3 power-plant building with storage, as we see on mass fabricators. T3Pgen build with 16T3storage = 8000 mass +3240 = 11240 provide 6250energy and 320000 stored energy with 40 000death explosion instead of 7240mass what provide 3250e and 64000 stored energy with 20 000death explosion)

No, Energy Storage balance and use is absolutely fine right now.

1.8 mobile flak nerf -static comparison
Aoe 4->2,5
price 160->200 / or static 400->300
(already is total no reason build static flak, mobile is many time better as 2,5x more expensive static, this make him better balance, and push player to build static on our territory and mobile would be still mass effective against air)

Static Flack was significantly buffed last patch and is now more than a match for the mobile variety. I suggest you build it more often.

1.9 mobile T3 artillery nerf - static comparison
price 800->1000
firing randomness and AOE exchange with T2 static, get static much more accurate, with more splash, and bigger range and dmg. Mobile be would be mobile and cheaper, that is him strong advantage
(T3 mobile is much better choice as is T2 static, and as a bonus is 2x cheaper, and can move)

No. T3 Mobile artillery is totally fine, T2 Static is where the problem lies.

1.10 Transport buff
1.10.1 units on transport will not be visible on radar, only transport would be visible on radar.
get loaded units temporally stealth

Interesting, could be good and is certainly possible.

1.10.2 transport get random units, not one type units (no more 6scouts on one transport)

Good, but I'm not sure how to actually change this.

1.10.3 allow sparky jamming work on transport, same as labs and cybran stealth

Sure, OK, but... Why? Seems pointless.

1.11 upgrading building unfair intel
when enemy upgrade building, with some bug i can see on map that this building A) doesn't exist now B) is upgraded.
i do nothing for get this information.
how to fix this: get personal stealth for building while upgrading.

I'm not sure this would work. You're right in that the bug should be fixed, but properly, not with a hacky method like that.

1.12 Shield energy adjustable bonus - static artillery comparison
when is shield adjustable with pgen get energy discount. give same % of is energy cost differences as bonus on shield regeneration and recharge ratio. (artillery have same function today)

No. Messing with shield regeneration is a bad idea and causes a right old mess with the game's balance. Shields have already had to be nerfed several times for gameplay, and are about to be buffed significantly next patch thanks to a bugfix to make them actually work. They need not be any stronger.

1.13 carrier units + fatboy + tempest
allow them build and make diferent action (attack/move) in one time, for be posible build units and attack, or build units and move (as harbringer can reclaim and attack on one time)

It's impossible. Sorry.

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I'll come back to finish this later.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 24 Jul 2014, 11:03

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T10:57:36+02:00

3.8 T3 transport Continental
shield dome energy 400->200 (too expensive for only 3000hp)

I heared the price was made that high to nerf continental in the past.

The reason was, that people were stacking Continentals by rapidly movement'commanding below them, making them an invulnerable airfortress. So the e-drain was increased to specificly nerf that tactic since it would not make THAT much of a difference for normal continental use.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 24 Jul 2014, 10:57

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T10:15:59+02:00

First of all the nomads.
*i will keep it in spoiler, so people, who dislike nomads would skip this discussion

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1.7 T3 Energy storage
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Size 1, price 500mass 24000e build time 400, 2000 death explosion on 5 range
Provide +20 000e storage, and possibility to link with E plant with 250% bonus when surrounded with storage.
(In the past the E storage on factories was removed because we wanted to make OC more interesting, but because of this reason we have plenty of mass stored and nearly no energy storage. This building give more energy storage, dont break early OC balance, and bring T3 power-plant building with storage, as we see on mass fabricators. T3Pgen build with 16 T3storage = 8000 mass +3240 = 11240 provide 6250energy and 320000 stored energy with 40 000death explosion instead of 7240mass what provide 3250e and 64000 stored energy with 20 000death explosion)

As for me, that is a bad idea. There is a reason, why people don't play t2-t3 storages mod. Same here.

1.9 mobile T3 artillery nerf - static comparison
price 800->1000
firing randomness and AOE exchange with T2 static
(T3 mobile is much better choice than T2 static, and as a bonus is 2x cheaper, and can move)

For what? The t3 mobile arty is already the worse thing compare to spearheads or sniper bots.

2.4 Galactic colossus hard buf
HP increase 99999->100000 (easier math)

Nothing is perfect in this world...

3.5 Destroer buff
torpedo dps 30->60
torpedo range 42/45->60 (same as main cannon)
AA 14,3dps ->50

Makes it too strong in terms of torpedoes. It has to have shit torpedoes bo balance cooper; the range is also too big, so it would rape t1 subs and even fight t2 ones.

3.8 T3 transport Continental
shield dome energy 400->200 (too expensive for only 3000hp)

I heared the price was made that high to nerf continental in the past.

6.1.0 Wagner torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo defense 1 anti torpedo every 20sec
6.1.1 Brick torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo 2 anti-torpedos every 15sec

Only time Wagner is usefull underwater is, when you don't allow opponent to regen in water, making it anti-torpedo will be even less usefull thing.
As for brick, in my opinion, it would be better to put on it anti-torpedo like cooper has and remove it's torps, so it would make sence to build these in naval, but the current Brick stiil has good underwater capabilities, so it's questionable.

I only wrote, where I disagree. There are some things, that i do like; there are some, that i'm not sure about; there are some, that you didn't mention, but which should be (and will be, but only in next balance period).

E8400-CV wrote:
No, it's primarily killed by groundattacking Battleships

Nope the most cost efficient way to kill those subs is aeon t3 torpedo bombers. Also the ground firing with Omen, Galaxy or Hauthuum is micro inefficient thing. It's only good, if opponent doesn't move his subs, which i forgot, when i saw this last time.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 24 Jul 2014, 10:15

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T09:15:38+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
No, it's primarily killed by groundattacking Battleships

And in another thread some cry for deeper submerged units/special armor to prevent groundfiring.

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 24 Jul 2014, 09:15

Re: Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-24T03:21:42+02:00

ppl who dont join jet not see a map, name of players, they nationality and they ratings would be invisible

So only aussies join

5.4 T3 subs AA nerf
AA 200->100 (air is the primary counter for it, thus it can not have excellent AA capabilities)

No, it's primarily killed by groundattacking Battleships

The AA was already nerfed from 240 (?). Also; the hp was descreased to 4000 (now single-pass killed by T3 torp bombers) and it's range was reduced. It's clear you really don't like the Seraphim, as you wrote earlier in your post.

3.8 T3 transport Continental
shield dome energy 400->200 (too expensive for only 3000hp)

It's not comparable to shields on other units, since this one can transport a huge amount of units. It can't transport an exp, but it can transport six Rambo SCU's that can kill an exp.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 24 Jul 2014, 03:21

Re: Ithilis paradise - great list of suggestion

2014-07-21T21:56:32+02:00

thx for "translate" and good questions, my english is poor, especially when i write it for 4 hour and have no patient on correct it all. I get you corecture and answer on my first post
Thx

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 21 Jul 2014, 21:56

zeroAPM - great list of translation (Version 0.0.4b Pre-Alph

2014-07-21T20:55:17+02:00

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..which probably won't be realized so soon.

All time when i'm playing i have many ideas on what can be changed and improved. Mostly they are cosmetic changes, sometimes it is more radical, sometimes it can miss the point.. This is what i've been doing for a very long time, it comes out of my mind spontaneously and most of the time i forget plenty of these tweak ideas.

So i decided to make my forum post about what i think could be changed one time or the other, i don't require it to be changed, but at least I posted it here and if some balance change period occur someone who would do it can bring his inspiration here.

I would be glad to see your arguments, why yes and why not on individual points, but your negative opinion probably won't change this wish list.

This will be a very long post with everything I got on my mind about faf, so when you are interested about something, scroll it down : ) I will try to update it...
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0.LOBBY CHANGES :

0.1 Nomads as official 5th fraction - plenty of people have worked on this mod for 7 years, they actually have a better cross-faction balance than the cybrans, no-one has to like it, but no-one like Seraphim (as I do) and still have no problem playing against [Who?].

0.2 Team matching system - What Zep did, but on some functional model [Unsure, did he meant "function" as "Mathematic/logic function"?], where is not needed to wait 4 hour to play a game. I think that a easy solution would be:

Get possibility to host team-matching game that occour on the "find game" bracket.
Random maps from map pool but people in game lobby would see the map, (if it is wrong host can rehost) people who don't join don't see a map, name of the players, their nationality and their ratings would be invisible, what people see is "player 1 -12" with different colors:
white - less than 30 games or rating less than 800
yellow - rating 801-1300
green - 1301-1800
red - 1801-2300
blue - 2301- blackheart

0.3 avatar valuation
- Player with more than 50 games that on this month get the most rating increase get a avatar, this avatar is removed if in the next month they don't have the highest rating increase.
- Player who beat the opponent with the highest rating difference from them get a avatar (1v1)
- Player in team who beat the team with highest rating difference [get a avatar] (all in the team must have at least 50 games)

0.4 Brig back the leader-board with global rating as was in the past. I liked to compare with others, and know how the best players were going with rating
0.4.1 On leader-board get shift indicator every week, which will show how many position the player moved and in witch direction.
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1 UNITS CHANGE

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GENERAL

1.1 Air crash damage change
More logical values, for example UEF T3 transport, the Continental, that is big like a cow deal the same crash damage as a T1 interceptor, that is crazy.
For it i made this formula:

T1 scout 25dmg 0,5aoe,
T1 interceptor 50 dmg 0,5aoe
T1 bomber 100 dmg aoe 1.5
T1 gunship 100dmg aoe 1
T1 transport 100dmg aoe 1,5
T2 = T1 x 2dmg/aoe (mercy, corsar... = bomber)
T3 = T2x2 = T1 x 4dmg/aoe

1.2 veterancy system rework
Veterancy point are not gained by tech level of the destroyed units, but depend on the mass cost of that unit. It is a big difference between destroying a scout and a frigate/battleship.

1.2.1 Veterancy point are equal to 2% of themass cost of the destroyed unit, 1% for experimental units.
Example: kill a striker 56x0.02 = 1.12 veterancy points; kill T2 heavy tank 200x0.02 = 4 points; kill T1 Land Scout 8x0.02 = 0.16 points, T2 = destroyer 2250x0.02 = 45 points; T4 GC = 27500x0.01 = 275points

Reason: In the early stages of the game the veterancy levels were about the same as now, the difference would be seen particularly in T2+ level in which the current veterancy system is not balanced optimally. When pushing with experimentals it pays to focus on weak units to increase veterancy, but what is the rationale, since the difficulty of their destruction is minimal, so I think that veterancy should increase proportionally with the difficulty of their destruction, which best represents the unit cost expenses. The difference would be more just, and also lead to a more logical strategy that would focus on a strong drive and not to faint.[i wasn't able to make sense of this, probabily something about "strong assault" and "not feinting" but that would be a stretch]

1.2.2 No instant heal after receiving veterancy level
Veteran level get bonus maximum HP, and bonus regeneration. Regeneration bonus on about 140% as is now.
Regeneration schedule:
T1: +1/2/3/4/5 ->+3/4/5/6/7
T2: +2/4/6/8/10 ->+6/8/10/12/14
T3: +3/6/9/12/15 ->+9/12/15/18/21
T4: +10/20/30/40/50 ->+15/30/45/60/75
Naval units:
T1N: +1/2/3/4/5 -> +3/6/9/12/15
T2N: +5/10/15/20/25 -> +5/10/15/20/25
T3N: +5/10/15/20/25 -> +7/14/21/28/35

Experimental units start with regeneration
Structure/air +25hp/sec
Land/naval +15hp/sec

No istant heal and regeneration bonus differences depend on faction as it is now. And repair regeneration bonus chaos on naval or some another units. [can't make sense of this either] Clearer, simpler and more logical system.
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 01,XSA0402
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 01,UEL0401

1.2.3 Units with shields have small/big disadvantage after receiving veterancy. For this reason give them the same value as units without shield. Since the shield need energy, they shouldn't pay for same thing twice. [probabily meant something along the line "shields units don't really benefit from veterancy"]
This is most evident with fatboy, who is not the cheapest unit in the game, but on vet level it get only +1250hp where the Percival for half of the kills receive +930hp, and the GC for a similar price get +10 000 HP
= units with shield receive more hp depending on how much of they total health is shield. But it would be same as other units
example: fatboy have 12500hp+20000shield = 32500 on vet receive + 3250hp instead of 1250 as it is now.
example2: obsidian have 1250+1500shield = +275HP on vet instead of +125 as it is now. Look at sera Ilshavoh, same cost, but receive 2x more hp on vet for total no reason.

1.3 submerged units
Lll submerged units float on seabed, so it is no longer possible to ground-fire submerge units in deep water, especially HARM, tempest and submarines, it break balance and it is stupid.

1.4 T2submarine buff
+15%dps
Submarines are nearly useless, destroyer is a better choice than submarines, sadly on primary submarine role too.
1.4.1 destroyer torpedo/deep charge nerf
range 45->42
With good micro submarine out-range destroyers, but 3 range differences is extremely hard to micro
1.4.1.1 Seraphim destroyer in submerged form has same (45) range

1.6 T2 air staging rework
Work as is now + as defensive position.
price 175 mass->250
Add 15 build power and possibility to build T1/T2 units (max 5 in one time)[air units? ground units? NAVAL UNITS? and 5 at a time? Is 5 times better than a air factory, i'm definitely missing something here], with transports linked with air staging. Add air staging active radius of 125, similar to point defence. When the enemy enter on range, air force fly and go to the defense active radius, when they are destroyed the air staging automatic rebuild that unit. [if it is still not clear, is a "respawn point" for allied units destroyed within it]

1.7 T3 Energy storage
Size 1, price 500mass 24000e build time 400, 2000 death explosion on 5 range
Provide +20 000e storage, and possibility to link with E plant with 250% bonus when surrounded with storage.
(In the past the E storage on factories was removed because we wanted to make OC more interesting, but because of this reason we have plenty of mass stored and nearly no energy storage. This building give more energy storage, dont break early OC balance, and bring T3 power-plant building with storage, as we see on mass fabricators. T3Pgen build with 16 T3storage = 8000 mass +3240 = 11240 provide 6250energy and 320000 stored energy with 40 000death explosion instead of 7240mass what provide 3250e and 64000 stored energy with 20 000death explosion)

1.8 mobile flak nerf -static comparison
Aoe 4->2,5
dps 144 -> 120
price 160->200
(There is no reason to build static flak, mobile is many time better than the 2,5x more expensive static version, this make it better balanced, and give player reasons to build static flak on their territory and mobile flak would be still mass effective against air)

1.9 mobile T3 artillery nerf - static comparison
price 800->1000
firing randomness and AOE exchange with T2 static
(T3 mobile is much better choice than T2 static, and as a bonus is 2x cheaper, and can move)

1.10 Transport buff
1.10.1 units on transport will not be visible on radar, only transport would be visible on radar.
give loaded units temporary stealth
1.10.2 transport get random units, not one type units (no more 6 scouts on one transport)
1.10.3 allow sparky jamming to work on transport, same as labs and cybran stealth

1.11 upgrading building unfair intel
When enemy upgrade building, with some bug i can see on map that this building A) doesn't exist now B) is upgraded.
i do nothing to get this information.
how to fix this: get personal stealth for building while upgrading.

1.12 Shield energy adjacency bonus - static artillery comparison
When a shield is adjacent to pgen it get a energy discount. Give the same % of is energy cost difference as bonus on shield regeneration and recharge ratio. (artillery have same bonus today)

1.13 carrier units + fatboy + tempest
Allow them build and make diferent action (attack/move) in one time, for it be able to build units and attack, or build units and move (as harbringer can reclaim and attack on one time)

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2.0 AEONS
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2.1 T1 submarine resource price change 360 ->320mass , 2880->2560 energy, same build time.
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 03,UAS0203 it is the only submarine what has no direct fire canon, what this mean is that is unfairly weaker as others.

2.2 Czar
2.2.1 - deep charge dps change 75 -> 300 (it is useless otherwise)
2.2.2 - flak muzzle velocity increase 20->25 (it never hit ASF and flak is 70% of czar AA) and decrese AOE 3->2

2.3 deep charge get small AOE effect 0->1 same as destroyer shot. (deep charge are explosives that explode underwater when near objects, not on contact) [small armyboo rant: depth charges explode when reaching a certain depth (duh) and modern (WW2) torpedoes have magnetic fuzes that trigger just underneath the target but not on contact (apparently this cause more damage than a direct hit, go figure!)]

2.4 Galactic colossus hard buf
HP increase 99999->100000 (easier math)

2.5 SACU Aeon SACU suck when compared to others, doesn't have nothing special as others have, and can use only 2/3 upgrade slots for attack upgrades
2.5.1 Nano repair removed, instead of it get small chrono dampener
price 5 000mass, 500 000e, 12 000build time -2500e drain/sec
provide +10 000HP and stun 1sec every 5 sec on 15 area around SACU
2.5.2 sacrifice system upgrade removed, give it to SACU as a natural function (same as on aeon engineers)
2.5.2.1 instead of sacrifice give gun upgrade "Quantum accelerator"
price : 1250 mass, 36000e, 5040build time
provide: 1,75x rate of fire
2.5.0 SACU price 1950->2100 (for sacrifice system on SACU from start)

2.6 ACU chronoampener
2.6.1 Change price 1750->2250 but provide +3000 HP and +20 regeneration (as T2 without T2)
2.6.2 Remove bug where chronodampener stun allies units as enemy units. If it is not bug but is intentional, then rework this mechanism for making it less stupid. Easy solution: after building chronodampener it triggers only when the game time is divisible by 5 [Or at least is what i think "first wave allow only on time divisible 5" means]

2.7 Torrent Ship buff
price 8000->7000 (as battlecruiser)
HP 15000->25000 (as T3 naval units)
aoe 2->3 (same as uef battleship, originally it was 5 and +25%dmg, today it is sucks when compared with T2 uef/sera cruiser)
2.7.1 Allow to build TML, max 4 missile in silo, 2HP on missile, 3 AOE, and possibility to fire them all at once (different kind of sniping)

2.8 battleship torpedo defense
Give battleship average torpedo defense, same as T2 destroyer 2Anti Torpedo every 3,8sec (other battleship have range and AA, aeons is more similar to a battle-cruiser and more often operate within torpedo range)

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3.0 UEF

3.1 Mavor buff
Doesn't matter how, but it need a buff

3.2 Novax
Satellite air crash dmg change 3000 -> 500 dmg (for no more paragon kill with 2 novax crash through shields)

3.3 ACU
Has a extremely useless nano repair upgrade, where T2(+3000hp +35 regen +T2 -price) is a much better option than nano (+65regen) rework it into something comparable with T2 engy upgrade

3.4 Fatboy torpedo buff
75dps->150
range 40->45

3.5 Destroer buff
torpedo dps 30->60
torpedo range 42/45->60 (same as main cannon)
AA 14,3dps ->50

3.6 battleship AA buff
4x AA 14,1dps ->50 = 200 AA dps in total (So is no longer a bad joke)

3.7 battlecruiser torpedo buff
20dps->80

3.8 T3 transport Continental
shield dome energy 400->200 (too expensive for only 3000hp)
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4.0 NOMADS

4.1 ACU
4.1.1 remove different OC get them standard numbers
4.1.2 remove capacitor function on ACU
4.1.3 rework bombard mode to need to build and pay for missiles

4.2 field engineer recategorize as a military unit

4.3 exchange sacu voice option, allow them talk in option, instead of turning they voice off in option

4.4 T3 mobile artillery
Hp boost 800->1600
(nomads don't have mobile shield/stealth, and can't put arty under shield, so they need better survivability in artillery battles)

4.5 T3 Leviathan submarine
Allow it to build TML, max 4 missile in silo, 2HP on missile, 3 AOE, and possibility to fire them all at once (different kind of sniping, as compensation for no nuke submarine)

4.6 scout/spy plane artillery support
give artillery support ability on this units too. (more versatile, and logical as on gunships only)
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5.0 SERAPHIMS

5.1 T4 bomber
fix bomb bug where bomber doesn't want to drop a bomb
5.1.1 get him 2 flare every 4sec like Nomads T4 transport, and as was on aeons T3 bomber in the past.

5.2 4th experimental
Seraphims have only 3 experimental, in the campaign they have a jamming crystal, that was pretty anoing for opponents. Upgrade this crystal and make it a Seraphim defensive experimental structure.
Price: 10 000mass, and plenty of energy (-3000/sec energy)
provide: massive jamming as it was on campaign and +20% of hp all [allied, or this might get funny quickly] units within range(i'm not sure how big the range should be)
(Seraphims would have a 4th experimental, and some good defensive structure since they don't have total nothing special on T3)

5.3 T3 tank torpedo
remove torpedo and replace with anti-torpedo 1anti torp every 10sec

5.4 T3 subs AA nerf
AA 200->100 (air is the primary counter for it, thus it can not have excellent AA capabilities)

5.5 batleship AA buff
2x14,55AA->2x50AA
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6.0 CYBRAN

6.1.0 Wagner torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo defense 1 anti torpedo every 20sec
6.1.1 Brick torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo 2 anti-torpedos every 15sec
6.1.2 Monkeylord torpedo
remove and replace with solid anti-torpedo defences 4 A-T every 3,8second

6.2 battleship AA/torpedo buff
AA 60->180
remove torpedoes (and fix bug where they don't fire torpedoes) and replace with medium 2A-T every 4 sec

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 21 Jul 2014, 20:55

Ithilis wish list- great list of suggestion

2014-07-25T00:32:26+02:00

..which probably dont appear so soon.

All time when i playing i have many ideas what can be different, and better as it is. Mostly it is cosmetic change, somewhere it is more radical, in some time i can be extreme miss a point.. This im doing for very long time it is go out of my mind spontaneously and how time go i forgot plenty of this tweak ideas.

so i decide make my forum post about all what i think would be one time changed, i dont require it have be change, but at least I put it here and if some balance change period occur someone who would do it can bring inspiration here.

I would glad to see your arguments why yes and why not on individual point, but your negative opinion probably dont change to be it on this wish list.

This would be very, extreme long post with everything what get on my mind about faf, so when you are interest only about something scrol it down : ) I would try to update it by time...
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Thx zeroAPM for help with translation
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0.LOBBY CHANGES :

0.1 nomads as official 5th fraction - plenty of people work on this mod for 7 year, actually are better cross fraction balance as are cybrans, not all must like it, but not all like serafin (as I) and I still have no problem play against serafin. Ps: nomads units now loos great! look on them

0.2 team matching system what Zep do, but on some effective model, where is not need w8 4 hour to game. I think that wery easy solution would be:

Get posibility to host team-matching game what occur on "fing game" bracket
random maps from map pool but ppl in game loby would see map, (if is wrong host can rehost) ppl who dont join jet not see a map, name of players, they nationality and they ratings would be invisible what people only see is "player 1 -12" with different colors, what would be as average rating of players in team:
white - average rating less than 800
yellow - average rating 801-1300
green - average rating 1301-1800
red - average rating 1801-2300
blue - average rating 2301- blackheart clones

0.3 avatar valuation
- player with more than 50 games who on this month get most rating rise get avatar about it this avatar lose when next month dont would have most rating rise again.
- player who beat most higher rating difference get avatar (1v1)
- player in team who beat most higher rating differences get a avatar (all in team must have at least 50 games)

0.4 give back leader-board with global rating as was in past. I was likely to compare with others, and know how best players are going on with rating
0.4.1 on leader-board get shift indicator every week, which will show how many position jump on witch direction
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1 UNITS CHANGE

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GENERAL

1.1 air crash dmg change
on more logical value, for example UEF T3 transport continental who is big like cow take crash damage same like T1 interceptor, that is crazy.
For it i make this formula:

T1 scout 25dmg 0,5aoe,
T1 interceptor 50 dmg 0,5aoe
T1 bomber 100 dmg aoe 1.5
T1 gunship 100dmg aoe 1
T1 transport 100dmg aoe 1,5
T2 = T1 x 2dmg/aoe (mercy, corsar... = bomber)
T3 = T2x2 = T1 x 4dmg/aoe

1.2 veterancy system rework
veterancy point get not by tech level of destroying units, but depend of mass cost of that unit. Is big difference destroy scout and frigate/battleship.

1.2.1 veteranc point get on 2% mass cost of destroying units and 1% on experimental units.
Example: kill a striker 56x0.02 = 1.12 veterancy point; kill T2 heavy tank 200x0.02 = 4 point; kill T1 Land Scout 8x0.02 = 0.16 point, T2 = destroyer 2250x0.02 = 45 points; T4 GC = 27500x0.01 = 275point
Reason: only tech level of units dont show difficulty to destroy concrete unit. mass value does.

1.2.2 not instant heal after receiving veterancy level
veteran level get bonus maximum HP, and bonus regeneration. regeneration bonus increase on cca 140% as is now.
regeneration schedule:
T1: +1/2/3/4/5 ->+3/4/5/6/7
T2: +2/4/6/8/10 ->+6/8/10/12/14
T3: +3/6/9/12/15 ->+9/12/15/18/21
T4: +10/20/30/40/50 ->+15/30/45/60/75
naval units:
T1N: +1/2/3/4/5 -> +3/6/9/12/15
T2N: +5/10/15/20/25 -> +5/10/15/20/25
T3N: +5/10/15/20/25 -> +7/14/21/28/35

Experimental units/building start with regeneration
experimental building/air +25hp/sec
experimetnal Land/naval +15hp/sec
non-experimetnal building +3/6/9 (add as react on IceDreamer argue about friendly air territory advantage)

Reasult: No regeneration and regeneration bonus (after veteran level up) differences on same class units depend on fraction as it is now. And remove regeneration bonus chaos on naval and some another units. (T1 naval have veteran regen as T1 units, T2 have as total different tech units, and T3 have same as T2, on land it is more simply and predictable, but we have plenty of exemption which have no sense) More clear, more simply and more logical system.
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 01,XSA0402
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 01,UEL0401

1.2.3 units with shield have small-big disadvantage after receiving veterancy. for this reason get them on same value as are units whiteout shield. For advantage what is going from shield they pay energy, dont let them pay for same things twice.
This is most radical see on fatboy, who is not cheaper units, but on vet level get only +1250hp where simply Percival for half kills receive +930hp, and GC for similar price get +10 000 HP
= units with shield receive more hp depend on how many % of they total armor is shield. but i would be same as other units
example: fatboy have 12500hp+20000shield = 32500 on vet receive + 3250hp instead of 1250 as it is now.
example2: obsidian have 1250+1500shield = +275HP on vet instead of +125 as it is now. look on sera Isvahor, same cost, but receive 2x more hp on vet for total no reason.

1.3 submerged units
all submerged units float on seabed, for not be possible ground-fire submerge units in deep water, especially HARM tempest and submarine, it break balance and it is stupid.

1.4 T2submarine buff
+15%dps
submarines are nearly useless, destroyer is better choice as submarine sadly on primary submarine role too.
1.4.1 destroyer torpedo/deep charge nerf
range 45->42
with very well micro submarine out-range destroyers, but 3 range differences is extreme hard micro
1.4.1.1 serafine destroyer in submerge form have same 45range

1.5 NEW lower AIR fuel capacity
T1 ---------------------------- T2-------------T3
scout - 8,20m -> 4m/--- -> ----/16,40->10m
interceptor - 5m -> 3m/8,20->4m/16,40->5m
bomber - 6,40m -> 4m/8,20->5m/16,40->6m
gunship - 5m -> 4m/6,40->5m/13,20->6m
torp bomber --- -> ---/ 10,00->6m/20,00->12m
torp gunship- --- ->---/10,00->6m/--- -> -----
transport - 13,20m -> 6m/13,20->7m/13,20->8m
Why: supreme have deep mechanic about fuel on air units, but quantity of fuel is so hight so it mean nearly nothing, this will bring air staging facility back to game and open more deep tactics.

1.6 NEW T1 air staging facility
- recategorize this building from T2 to T1 or (better) bring lower T1 air staging facility from some mode where exist, and is not so effective as T2

1.7 T3 Energy storage
size 1, price 500mass 24000e build time 400, 2000 death explosion on 5 range
provide +20 000e storage, and possibility to link with E plant with 250% bonus when is full storage on all side.
[i](on past was remove storage function on factory because want to make OC more interesting, but on this reason we have plenty mass stored and nearly none storage energy. This building bring more stored energy back, dont break early OC balance, and bring T3 power-plant building with storage, as we see on mass fabricators. T3Pgen build with 16T3storage = 8000 mass +3240 = 11240 provide 6250energy and 320000 stored energy with 40 000death explosion instead of 7240mass what provide 3250e and 64000 stored energy with 20 000death explosion)

1.8 mobile flak nerf -static comparison
Aoe 4->2,5
price 160->200 / or static 400->300
(already is total no reason build static flak, mobile is many time better as 2,5x more expensive static, this make him better balance, and push player to build static on our territory and mobile would be still mass effective against air)

1.9 mobile T3 artillery nerf - static comparison
price 800->1000
firing randomness and AOE exchange with T2 static, get static much more accurate, with more splash, and bigger range and dmg. Mobile be would be mobile and cheaper, that is him strong advantage
(T3 mobile is much better choice as is T2 static, and as a bonus is 2x cheaper, and can move)

1.10 Transport buff
1.10.1 units on transport will not be visible on radar, only transport would be visible on radar.
get loaded units temporally stealth
1.10.2 transport get random units, not one type units (no more 6scouts on one transport)
1.10.3 allow sparky jamming work on transport, same as labs and cybran stealth

1.11 upgrading building unfair intel
when enemy upgrade building, with some bug i can see on map that this building A) doesn't exist now B) is upgraded.
i do nothing for get this information.
how to fix this: get personal stealth for building while upgrading.

1.12 Shield energy adjustable bonus - static artillery comparison
when is shield adjustable with pgen get energy discount. give same % of is energy cost differences as bonus on shield regeneration and recharge ratio. (artillery have same function today)

1.13 carrier units + fatboy + tempest
allow them build and make diferent action (attack/move) in one time, for be posible build units and attack, or build units and move (as harbringer can reclaim and attack on one time)
probably imposible code it on neat way :/, IceDreamer try solve it in past

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2.0 AEONS
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2.1 T1 submarine resource price change 360 ->320mass , 2880->2560 energy, same build time.
http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 03,UAS0203 it is only submarine what has no direct fire canon, what mean is unfairly weaker as others.

2.2 Czar
2.2.1 - deep charge dps change 75 -> 300 (already it is total useless function)
2.2.2 - flak muzzle velocity increase 20->25 (already it never hit ASF and flak is 70% of czar AA) and decrese AOE 3->2

2.3 deep charge get small AOE effect 0->1 same as destroyer shot. [small armyboo rant from zeroAPM: depth charges explode when reaching a certain depth (duh) and torpedoes have magnetic fuzes that trigger just underneath the target but not on contact (apparently this cause more damage than a direct hit, and damage more units near as direct torpedo]

2.4 Galactic colossus hard buf
HP increas 99999->100000 (easier math)

2.5 SACU aeons sacu is sux with comparing with others, dont have nothing special as others have, and can use only 2/3 upgrade place for attacks upgrade
2.5.1 nano repair remove, instead of it get small chrono dumper
price 5 000mass, 500 000e, 12 000build time -2500e drain/sec
provide +10 000HP and stun 1sec every 5 sec on 15 area around SACU
2.5.2 sacrifice system upgrade remove, get it sacu as natural function (same as on aeon engineers)
2.5.2.1 instead of sacri get gun upgrade "Quantrum accelerator"
price : 1250 mass, 36000e, 5040build time
provide: 1,75x rate of fire
2.5.0 sacu price 1950->2100 (for sarci system on sacu from start)

2.6 ACU/sacu chronodumper
2.6.1 get price on 1750->2250 but provide +3000 HP and +20 regeneration (as T2 whiteout T2)
2.6.2 remove bug where chronodumper stun allies units as enemy units. If it is not bug but intention, then rework this mechanism for not so stupid model. Easy solution: wave allow only on time divisible 5

2.7 Torent Ship buff
price 8000->7000 (like battlecruiser)
aoe 2->3 (same as T2 cruiser missile, original it was 5aoe and +25%dmg)
HP 15 000->20 000 (more like T3 navy)
2.7.1 allow build TML, max 4 missile in silo, 2HP on missile, 3 AOE
Why: torrent is strong ship, but have only one role, defeat base when enemy navy is down, against everything else is torrent useless, but on this role is already battleship better, also as UEF cruiser is on this role better. Torrent is T3 navy is reasonable that would be superior as T2 units especially one only one role what torrent have, what already isnt. -> better argue =look a replay with bombard base test

2.8 battleship torpedo defense
get battleship average torpedo defense, same as have T2 destroyer 2A-T every 3,8sec (other battleship have range and AA, aeons is more battle-cruiser is contact and are more often operate on range where torpedo occur)

2.9 kamikadze units (mercy) freindly fire -off
take mercy/fire beetle no friendlly fire for owner units, make it as each other units, is absoluthly no reason, for one units (gunship,tanks,pd, etc..) dont fire on owner units, and other (mercy, fire beetle) damage owner units. Remove it

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3.0 UEF

3.1 Mavor buff
doesnt matter how, but is need buf

3.2 Novax
satellite air crash dmg change 3000 -> 500 dmg (for no more paragon kill with 2 novax crash through shields)

3.3 ACU
have extremely useless nano repair, where build T2(+3000hp +35 regen +T2 -price) is mutch more better option as nano (+65regen) rework it for something comparable with T2 engy upgrade

3.4 fatboy torpedo buff
75dps->150
range 40->45

3.5 Destroer buff
torpedo dps 30->60
torpedo range 42/45->60 (same as main canon)
AA 14,3dps ->50

3.6 battleship AA buff
4x AA 14,1dps ->50 = 200 AA dps in total (for not be like bad joke)

3.7 battlecruiser torpedo buff
20dps->80

3.8 T3 transport continental
price 1400 mass, 52500->75 000 energy, buildtime - 5250->6000
AA 4x 66->4x 24 (for be less effective AA as AA gunship restorer)
shield dome energy 400->200 (too expensive for only 3000hp)
(changed by colonelShepard and E8400-CV notes)

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4.0 NOMADS

4.1 ACU
4.1.1 remove different OC get them standard numbers
4.1.2 remove capacitor function on ACU
4.1.3 rework bombard mode to need build and pay for missiles
4.1.3.1 remove bombard mode as firing from mother ship, but add rocket upgrade on acu arm, same as is rocket upgrade on sacu arm. Fire 5 missile in one salve, with same aoe as is now, but with neednes to build and pay for this missiles. as play other acu with tml on back

4.2 field engineer recategorize for military units

4.3 exchange sacu voice option, allow them talk in option, instead of turn they voice off in option

4.4 T3 mobile artillery
Hp boost 800->1600
(nomads dont have mobile shield/stealth, and cant put arty under shield, so they need better survivability in artilery shooting battle)

4.5 T3 Leviathan submarine
allow build TML, max 4 missile in silo, 2HP on missile, 3 AOE, and possibility to fire them all in one time (different kind of sniping, as respons for no nuke submarine)

4.6 scout/spy plane artilery suport
give artilery suport ability on this units too. (more versatile, and logical as on gunships only)
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5.0 SERAFINS

5.1 T4 bomber
fix bomb bug, when bomber dont want to drop a bomb
5.1.1 get him 2 flare every 4sec as has nomads T4 transport, and as was on aeons T3 bomber in past.

5.2 4th experimental
serafins have only 3 experimental, on campaign thay have jamming crystal, what was pretty anoing for oponnets. Upgrade this crystal and make it as serafin defensive experimental structures.
Price: 10 000mass, and plenty of energy (-3000/sec energy)
provide: massive jamming as was on campaign and +20% of hp allied units on range(im not sure how big range that jamming have) (+need solve problem for not allow multiply this effect on same range, multiple sera acu with regeneration field have not multiply problem, so probably solving would be same)
(serafin would have 4th experimental, and some good defensive structure what they dont have total nothing special on T3)

5.3 T3 tank torpedo
remove torpedo and replace with anti-torpedo 1anti torp every 10sec

5.4 T3 subs AA nerf
AA 200->100 (subs is primary counter from air, then can not have excellent AA)

5.5 batleship AA buff
2x14,55AA->2x50AA
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6.0 CYBRAN

6.1.0 Wagner torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo defense 1 anti torpedo every 20sec
6.1.1 Brick torpedo
remove and replace with anti-torpedo in sumar 2 anti-torpedos every 15sec
6.1.2 monkylord torpedo
remove and replace with solid anti-torpedo 4 A-T every 3,8second

6.2 battleship AA/torpedo buff
AA 60->180
torpedo remove (what avoid bug when dont fire when fire toprpedos) and replace with medium 2A-T every 4 sec

6.3 kamikadze units (fire beetle) freindly fire -off
take mercy/fire beetle no friendlly fire for owner units, make it as each other units, is absoluthly no reason, for one units (gunship,tanks,pd, etc..) dont fire on owner units, and other (mercy, fire beetle) damage owner units. Remove it

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 21 Jul 2014, 00:53