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Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-07-13T16:57:55+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
if all sides of buiding covered fully with mass storages, then buiding will produce 50% more mass (same with power storage), that is all you need to know

Yeah and that is, what I already do know I thought that this topic is about the not showed decimal fractions of any numbers in the GUI, where the T2-MassFab-Case is only one of many. It just might be better for new Players to understand the machanics when they are visible. Otherwise sb may think that adjancy (hate that word and wont google it this time,sry) doesnt work.

One further really curious situation: An Engi with 0 HP at 6:16 after a reaclaim-battle at Gyle's FAF Cast 214 - Custom 4 v 4 on Pyramid. You can see it if you pause the video right at the moment when gyle zooms out and hovers the engi accidentally.

Statistics: Posted by C-Star — 13 Jul 2014, 16:57

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-07-08T15:27:26+02:00

Next to t3 factories and Nukes they are also great.

40 mass usage 10% savings --> 4 mass devided by 12 mass fabs --> income is 1,3333 mass
18 mass usage 10% savings --> 1,8 mass devided by 16 mass fabs --> income is 1,1125 mass

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 08 Jul 2014, 15:27

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-07-07T17:46:00+02:00

if all sides of buiding covered fully with mass storages, then buiding will produce 50% more mass (same with power storage), that is all you need to know

t2 mass fab connected to one storage gives 1.125 mass per sec
to two storages gives 1.25 mass per sec

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 07 Jul 2014, 17:46

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-07-07T15:23:44+02:00

It seems to go wrong when your start the line with a space.

Code:: 1 G 2 GSG 3 GSMSG 4 GSG 5 G

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 07 Jul 2014, 15:23

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-07-03T18:47:42+02:00

.. same with adjacency of massgenerators and masstorage (m= Mex, s = storage, g = massgenerator)

Code:: G GSG GSMSG GSG G

Generators all give +1 Mass - to believe the GUI.

PS.: How can i put serveral Spaces to format my Build-Grid?

Statistics: Posted by C-Star — 03 Jul 2014, 18:47

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-15T17:33:43+02:00

To see the adjacency cost you'll need more than just my suggestion. Something like Iszh' extension of the reclaim window.

I usually build facs and Pgens like this:

Code:: P F P F P F P F F F F P F P F P F P F F F F P F P F P F P

If you extend that to infinity you'll end up with twice as much facs as Pgens, which is 500 more than you need: a fac uses 1000 Energy /s to build ASF; Pgens give 2500
If I build a nuke defense in the middle, I leave at a PF4 segment

Leaving half the spots between factories empty means the whole thing doesn't go pop due to one exploding Pgen. It's very hard to kill that grid with T3 arty; especially because you have enough open space to build shields if needed. If you do build Pgens in the empty spots, it's very easy to blow up with T3 arty or strats. One strat per Pgen and then two more for a single one to ignite the whole block.

If you do T1 engie spam you'll need 54% more Pgens.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 15 Jun 2014, 17:33

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-15T17:19:13+02:00

I approve this suggestion.

Another point for it: People can precisely see the benefits of adjacency.

Statistics: Posted by Fernest — 15 Jun 2014, 17:19

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-08T18:02:50+02:00

partytime wrote:
So to summarize ... people think engy spam doesnt spend mass, yet they dont like support factories. We should add the fraction because then people will stop spamming engies.

They prefer T1 engi spam because they think they will get stuff at zero mass cost. While actually, support factories are the real cost-saving things: you can have them all adjacent with T3 Pgens, and thus reduce to need for Pgens. In case of my build with ~35%.

It's just kinda silly that the economic overlay shows the decimal costs, but in the bottom left it rounds down (always down!).

(The overlay also rounds down, but that's already a factor ten less.)

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 08 Jun 2014, 18:02

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-07T18:07:42+02:00

I was just playing. I think it's a great idea. I was manually working out the real mass usages from the blueprints before I realized the economic overlay had more accurate values.

... of course none of those methods factor in roll off times anyway, but that's besides the point.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 07 Jun 2014, 18:07

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-07T00:19:03+02:00

partytime wrote:
So to summarize ... people think engy spam doesnt spend mass, yet they dont like support factories. We should add the fraction because then people will stop spamming engies.

No...

To summarize: let's give players more information so they can make better choices.

Truth sounds a lot less passive aggressive doesn't it?

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 07 Jun 2014, 00:19

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-06T12:59:17+02:00

So to summarize ... people think engy spam doesnt spend mass, yet they dont like support factories. We should add the fraction because then people will stop spamming engies.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 06 Jun 2014, 12:59

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-06T12:03:34+02:00

Exactly this was the reason why i asked for this reclaim window extension. Because there you would see a sum of all the saved mass and energy. The shown mistake would be smaller. I also would like to see either the correct values or to get the adjacency window. I dont think that exact values of usage or so important just for usage but to estimate the adjacency bonuses there is no way atm. Shown numbers are simply not exact enough.

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=7082

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 06 Jun 2014, 12:03

Re: Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-06T11:56:08+02:00

Yea, that confuses a lot of people...
Also when you have t1 Fac connected to t1 mex, people tend to think that saves 1 mass per sec

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 06 Jun 2014, 11:56

Fractional costs; show decimal or round up

2014-06-06T10:41:26+02:00

When you have a T1 engie assisting a T3 air factory that's building ASF (aeon) it shows (if you use the economy overlay) that it uses 0.6 mass/tick and 66 energy.

However, if you click the engi it shows in the bottom left that it uses 66 energy. Mass draw is not shown. Of course that engi does draw mass. The T3 engi shows 4.7 mass and in the bottom only 4

I've had a few games where multiple people in my team of 4 were berating me for using support factories, claiming that "T1 engies don't use mass when assisting for ASF". That included some 1000 rated players.

So can we please either show the decimal cost in the bottom, or at least round it up to the nearest integer? So that perhaps these very strange people will finally stop spamming 500 T1 engies to build air?

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 06 Jun 2014, 10:41