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Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T23:29:13+02:00

Or, just go back to the TA model where everything can shoot everything (and damage scales accordingly).

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 01 Nov 2013, 23:29

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T23:20:38+02:00

I've been suggesting for a VERY long time we just make ASF unable to shoot at drones. JUST ASFs mind you, Inties, FB/s, CZar AA etc, whatever else, should still be able to, because the risk of shield nuking and base obliteration from those AA weapons is miniscule compared to ASFs.

Really is it SUCH a big problem to just make them ASF immune and solve the entire issue in one fell swoop with now downside?

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 01 Nov 2013, 23:20

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T19:41:43+02:00

These all seem like rather drastic changes considering that we're dealing with one unit interaction. Totally reworking aircraft HP just because of kennel drones seems like an overreaction.

When looking at this thread I keep coming back to this:

LordFappington69 wrote:
2. Make Drones untargetable by ASF. This will obviously be a massive buff to the drones so to counter i would propose making them unable to capture/convert enemy units. imagine (100 drones capturing a monkey lord without flak support)

How would making drones untargetable by ASFs (is such a thing even possible? Untargettable by one specific unit?) be a "massive buff"? They only have 6hp, so, to use your Monkeylord example, the ML itself could just shoot them down. Given how easy it is to produce low-end AA, and how slow the drones are, it hardly seems like making ASFs unable to target them would make that much of a difference. But it would solve the problem at hand.

Increasing the drones' flight altitude to equal or exceed ASFs would be a workable solution, but really guys, come on... That would look really, really stupid. We should be bothered by that.

ShadowKnight wrote:
Golol wrote:why not just air-to-air damage vs buildings gets set to 0.
i mean, theres no building that air-to-air is actually supposed to kill, right?
Because even if you could do that, they would still instaKO your base's shields, which is deadly when comboed with Arty bombardment.

Yes, but it is a known risk. Losing all of your buildings to air-to-air is too much, but losing your shields isn't game-breaking. As Funkoff's flippant reply suggests - build defenses to protect your drones.

Changing air-to-air damage as Golol suggested (or making drones untargetable by ASFs, if possible) seems like a much better, simpler, more straightforward starting point to try than the other ideas so far.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 01 Nov 2013, 19:41

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T14:04:54+02:00

Upping the drone elevation helps a lot to reduce asf projectiles hitting the base below because they won't shoot towards the ground. It doesn't prevent asf to down the t3 shields, but that's not as big an issue.

Maybe killing the asf projectiles as soon as their target is destroyed will also help prevent collateral damages.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 01 Nov 2013, 14:04

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T12:59:49+02:00

some ideas
- let the drones fly at same height as asf or at least higher than shields
- make drones untargetable for the aa weapon of T1-T2-T3 fighters/bombers/gunships and add another "very low damage weapon(health of a drone per pass)". That weapon could be some sort of laser(Cerberus) and should only target drones and perhaps other ground units. Health of drone is 6. So one pass of 100 asf make 600 damage.Any shield even mobile t2 can regenerate that damage easily.
- if its possible: damage from aa projectiles to shields reduced. shield of continental should than be reduced and health increased
- reduce health of all air units and all aa dps to 1/12

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 01 Nov 2013, 12:59

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T12:18:23+02:00

I got an idea.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 01 Nov 2013, 12:18

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T11:46:20+02:00

The fact that air-to-air can hit ground in this scenario is a silly side effect that should be looked at.

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 01 Nov 2013, 11:46

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T07:16:57+02:00

Because even if you could do that, they would still instaKO your base's shields, which is deadly when comboed with Arty bombardment.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 01 Nov 2013, 07:16

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T01:41:06+02:00

why not just air-to-air damage vs buildings gets set to 0.
i mean, theres no building that air-to-air is actually supposed to kill, right?

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 01 Nov 2013, 01:41

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T01:13:32+02:00

People have no problem with Drones getting obliterated by ASFs. The part I take issue with is a single pass of ASFs destroying every building in my base. This problem makes drones a useless, dangerous, self destructing non-necessity.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 01 Nov 2013, 01:13

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-11-01T01:11:38+02:00

I can't tell if you are serious or if you are trolling. ..
If you're serious, I can't really understand why you want an engineering unit , to be practically invulnerable to enemy fire.
Or why you prefer this , instead of taking obvious measures to guard those units. That they can be easily killed by asfs , sometimes at seton's , can't be a serious excuse. Ordinary engineers can be massacred by any ordinary land units; should we make them invulnerable to ground fire?

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 01 Nov 2013, 01:11

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-10-31T22:43:08+02:00

Is the OP a troll not even disguised.

I'm not too sure which proposition is juicier

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 31 Oct 2013, 22:43

Re: Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-10-31T21:55:18+02:00

Heres an idea: build sams to kill asf.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 31 Oct 2013, 21:55

Kennel, Does it need to be fixed?

2013-10-31T20:50:58+02:00

the Kennel now and days basically turns enemy ASF into hawks from TA. if you have a fire base with kennels in a setons game it WILL get destroyed by ASF. There are a few solutions that i can think of to fix this. (not saying any of them are good or the best so no trolling)
1. Drastic solution a make all air units have 1/10 HP and 1/10DPS like Vanilla. Also lowering sam & flak DPS. This would make and ASF (read hawk) attack only do 40dps each compared to 400. this would make the ASF strafing run have no effect on a fire base. (really 1/10 of the effect)
2. Make Drones untargetable by ASF. This will obviously be a massive buff to the drones so to counter i would propose making them unable to capture/convert enemy units. imagine (100 drones capturing a monkey lord without flak support)
Any ideas, any more solutions.
Best regards, LordFapington69

Statistics: Posted by LordFappington69 — 31 Oct 2013, 20:50