FtXCommando wrote:

Nutella wrote:

FtXCommando wrote:Killing the most ACUs has no relation to your contribution in game and is an even worse system than the current implementation of trueskill in custom games.

There are several factors that could cause you losing more points than you gain. For instance, you could be losing games the system is more confident that you should win, meaning not only do you lose points but your deviation increases which in turn gives the illusion that you lost extra rating.

Then the system is quite stupid cause I lost a game vs 2 opponent stronger then me; my teammate was stronger then all but he lost less points than me ... that's not a great system in my opinion ... that means that strong players will become stronger losing less points, weak players will become weaker ... I think that standard deviation is a wonky system and not so efficient as you think

You are talking to a dude that has been beating the war drum to remove/edit/minimize global rating for 2.5 years. However, just because global is an awful system prone to manipulation doesn’t mean your idea is worth considering. Your idea manages to not only be an inaccurate gauge of player capability but it also manages to be an obscenely easy system to abuse. It’s an awful idea and it’s why when the Council was considering making ACU kills influence global rating I immediately blocked the idea.

I also don’t think you understand how trueskill works. The system itself is solid enough. The problem is FAF does not create the environmental conditions expected for trueskill to work optimally (in custom games). In ladder, it works excellently.

Nutella wrote:

FtXCommando wrote:Killing the most ACUs has no relation to your contribution in game and is an even worse system than the current implementation of trueskill in custom games.

There are several factors that could cause you losing more points than you gain. For instance, you could be losing games the system is more confident that you should win, meaning not only do you lose points but your deviation increases which in turn gives the illusion that you lost extra rating.

Then the system is quite stupid cause I lost a game vs 2 opponent stronger then me; my teammate was stronger then all but he lost less points than me ... that's not a great system in my opinion ... that means that strong players will become stronger losing less points, weak players will become weaker ... I think that standard deviation is a wonky system and not so efficient as you think

armacham01 wrote:
People who play RTS games competitively are already looking to take every advantage that they can. The last thing we want to do is to encourage people to find new ways to game the system in order to manipulate their ratings (up or down). We don't need to create new "mini-games" for players to engage in during team games.

E.g., intentionally letting teammates die so you get more points for yourself, being greedy about trying to snipe the ACU instead of making units so you get points for yourself, make 10 strats and give them to a teammate so you don't gain rating from the ACU snipe, give all your stuff to a teammate at the 5-minute mark so your score goes down, etc. etc. etc.

And then we would either have to accept that all this BS is just "part of the game now" OR we would need the moderation team to step in police all of it. Which would become a giant mess and lead to much unhappiness.

FtXCommando wrote:
Killing the most ACUs has no relation to your contribution in game and is an even worse system than the current implementation of trueskill in custom games.

There are several factors that could cause you losing more points than you gain. For instance, you could be losing games the system is more confident that you should win, meaning not only do you lose points but your deviation increases which in turn gives the illusion that you lost extra rating.