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Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-05T05:11:44+02:00

Evildrew wrote:
Currently I am trying my hand at map editing, but I find that no matter how steep I make a cliff, a T3 arty lands shells at almost a 90° angle coming down making my cliffs useless for there intended purpose. Since I am not really a fan of T3 static arty and "game ender" super weapons, I would like to suggest a flatter arc so that maps can feature some "safety zones" with steep cliffs for buildings. Obviously the firing angle would determine how much space behind a cliff would be safe.

Feedback (pro or con) is welcome.

so hold up, you want to make a map where T3 arty will be reached regularly thus you make a wall as tall as possible? Where is the reason?!?!?! If you don't want t3 arty, make a map where it will be reached in 1 out of a thousand cases!

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 05 Jun 2017, 05:11

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-03T17:39:32+02:00

Yes - there is a value called MuzzleVelocityReduceDistance which will dynamically reduce the muzzle velocity as the range falls below the value.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 03 Jun 2017, 17:39

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-03T17:10:03+02:00

Also note that unless you want to drastically reduce t3 arty range, keeping the fire angle at ~45 degrees for different ranges requires variable muzzle velocity. Is it even possible to do?

Statistics: Posted by Wesmania — 03 Jun 2017, 17:10

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-03T16:48:42+02:00

IceDreamer wrote:
So let me get this straight: OP doesn't like T3 arty for... Reasons. Unspecified and definitely opinion based reasons. OP proceeds to try and make a map with terrain to top a unit specifically engineered to not be affected by terrain. When he finds that isnt how the game works, proceeds to request global change.

OP is the same guy constantly telling off the balance team for doing things they think make the game better, based on their opinions...

Did I miss something, or did all sanity and reason get eaten by Exotic Retard while I was on holiday? xD

welcome to the balance forums my friend

also, where are the map pics

Statistics: Posted by biass — 03 Jun 2017, 16:48

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-03T16:47:23+02:00

So let me get this straight: OP doesn't like T3 arty for... Reasons. Unspecified and definitely opinion based reasons. OP proceeds to try and make a map with terrain to top a unit specifically engineered to not be affected by terrain. When he finds that isnt how the game works, proceeds to request global change.

OP is the same guy constantly telling off the balance team for doing things they think make the game better, based on their opinions...

Did I miss something, or did all sanity and reason get eaten by Exotic Retard while I was on holiday? xD

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 03 Jun 2017, 16:47

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-02T20:42:50+02:00

its actually fairly simple, in theory
for any ballistic trajectory there are two firing solutions for a given muzzle velocity.

low arc picks the one below 45 degrees
high arc picks the one above 45 degrees
none pretends its a laser

if you want to have an arc above pick high and adjust muzzle velocity to something you want. you can just calculate the MV needed for the angle to avoid guessing.
same for low arc, if you lower the muzzle velocity it will be closer to 45 degrees.
then you just enable muzzle velocity reduce distance and set it to just below max range to keep that angle at lower ranges.

what you cant do (easily) is have it have an angle ranging from below 45 degrees to above 45 degrees.

but this idea is stupid xD

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 02 Jun 2017, 20:42

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-02T11:34:12+02:00

Maybe you could make some huge prop that looks like a overhanging cliff?
Not sure how well that would work though...

Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 02 Jun 2017, 11:34

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T15:01:30+02:00

All artillery units, mobile and static, use the High Arc. The only artillery units that would be affected by your cliff might be the T1 mobile artillery units, and simply because of their short range.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 01 Jun 2017, 15:01

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T13:22:23+02:00

Yes morax i have. Most maps have no steep mountains. Should have little to no impact

Statistics: Posted by Evildrew — 01 Jun 2017, 13:22

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T12:51:07+02:00

Have you thought about how this will affect other maps and play style for the community?

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 Jun 2017, 12:51

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T10:11:55+02:00

Currently at work so cant post. Basically i set the starting elevation to 64 and the cliff height is at 90, so 26 high and top to bottom goes out 1 red square.
Arty hits right behind it. T3 shield bubbles are lower than the cliff. Pretty much a fail of an idea i had. What arc do t2 arties use? Is it low, because they shoot flatter i believe.

Statistics: Posted by Evildrew — 01 Jun 2017, 10:11

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T09:57:08+02:00

post map pics?

Statistics: Posted by biass — 01 Jun 2017, 09:57

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T09:29:35+02:00

you can modify the blueprints of the t3 arty or the arty projectile in the map script (make sure to upload the map as unrated or talk to a moderator about it being rated first!). As Spouto already said, there are only 3 different curves, but you can try to fiddle a bit with the muzzle velocity or the TurnRate of the projectile... just have a look at the blueprints.

Statistics: Posted by CookieNoob — 01 Jun 2017, 09:29

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T02:46:18+02:00

Lol

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 01 Jun 2017, 02:46

Re: Make T3 static Arties projectile arc flatter

2017-06-01T01:15:59+02:00

There are only 3 projectile 'arcs' available - NONE, Low and High.

The NONE is self explanatory, and the Low Arc is very low - typical of most direct fire weapons. The High Arc is used by all artillery weapons and is extremely sensitive to muzzle velocity. If the velocity is too low, the weapon will not reach it's maximum range, and that's really the crux of your issue. While lower velocity will give a more gentle curve to the flight of the projectile - it's almost vertical even then. I cannot find a solution that will flatten the arc to any significant degree.

Statistics: Posted by Sprouto — 01 Jun 2017, 01:15