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Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-08-05T14:49:00+02:00

Is it possible to make one where the top mass is always at the top? and then show everyone else as a percentage of his mass?

So at every tick Find out who is "topdog" and divide everyone else mass on that. That would make top dog 1. and everyone else at a percentage.

Statistics: Posted by Androish — 05 Aug 2016, 14:49

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-08-05T14:28:39+02:00

If zoom is too difficult, maybe you could have tabs for different time periods?
So you would have an extra graph for first 10min, 20,30,45,60 or something.

The main downside i see with your mod is that you can't have multiple representations.
Standard, 4th root, 5th root are mutually exclusive.

It would probably be easy to make extra tabs? (unless this is unmoddable code?)
So you get

Standard - Chart - Standard Graph - 4th root graph - 5th root graph - Dual
or
Standard - Chart - Full Graph - 10min graph -20min graph - ... - Dual

Or what would be even better could be the possibilty to chose the interval you want. So you can set it for example from 10min to 20min.
Combine that with the standard graph and a root graph (also give choice of root (maybe with root 4 as standard)).
This could give you a lot of ways to examine the outcome of a match.
This way you could zoom in to specific intervals and see how you did during different parts of the game. If you were able to keep up/catch up/get a lead.

I just had a moment of creativity, so to be clear: these are mere suggestions.

PS: you can pm me, if you're planning on improving it and want some help. It looks like an interesting project. (some lua exp, no modding exp)

Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 05 Aug 2016, 14:28

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-08-05T13:59:27+02:00

Nice work. Isn't the real solution just to keep it normal but allow zoom?

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 05 Aug 2016, 13:59

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-08-05T08:17:54+02:00

Well, I was able to get it to work, but turning it into a logarithmic graph didn't have the effect that I envisioned, so I had to scrap it. But once I learned how to do that making other alterations to the score screen was easy, and I found the answer: Roots. Specifically the 4th or 5th root which seemed to work best. I tested both of them on a game I thought was pretty representative. Observe:

Normal Scoreboard:

4th Root:

5th Root:

I couldn't really decide between using the 4th or 5th roots for this, so I decided to make a mod for each of them. I have put them both in this post. Obviously, they conflict with each other.

Statistics: Posted by everywhere116 — 05 Aug 2016, 08:17

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-08-01T20:38:26+02:00

interesting idea. hopefully someone will look further into it.

Statistics: Posted by Mot — 01 Aug 2016, 20:38

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-07-29T20:46:32+02:00

I took a look at the code Crotalus linked, while I am no LUA expert the program seems to draw the graph by dividing the x axis into tiny chunks called periodes (spelling? The code always spelled it like this.) and calculating the change in the y variable for every periode based on the score table. The code that seemed the most relevent seemed to be here:

Code:: -- prepare the data, calculate the ya=start y position and the yb=end position of the ligne for each player for this periode for index, dat in player do if periode==1 then val=0 else val=return_value(periode-1,dat.index,path) end ya=parent.Top() +y2 - val*factor local val=return_value(periode,dat.index,path) yb=parent.Top() +y2 - val*factor -- put all the data in this table line[dat.index]={grp=grp,ya=ya,yb=yb,y=ya, -- note: y is the current position for this graph; the x is commun to all graph color=dat.color,index=dat.index, y_factor=(yb-ya)/dist*size} -- important: the factor of deplacement for the bitmap end

ya and yb are the values of y at the beginning of each periode and the end of each periode respectively. If a math.log fuction was placed around each of the equations defining ya and yb that should make the graph logarithmic. So for ya the equation would be ya=math.log(parent.Top() +y2 - val*factor ), and the yb equation would be yb=math.log(parent.Top() +y2 - val*factor).

The only problem with this is that A) Changing it like this and at this step would also change how every single other graph is represented as well, some of which I would want represented with a linear graph the way they are now and B) It won't change the maximum height of the graph, which I haven't figured out how to do yet. Or even where it is defined. Hopefully someone more experienced with this can look it over and help, this is my first time messing with the programming of the game.

Statistics: Posted by everywhere116 — 29 Jul 2016, 20:46

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-07-29T20:34:37+02:00

Tis a pretty good idea

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 29 Jul 2016, 20:34

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-07-28T13:21:30+02:00

Code for the score graphs is here:
https://github.com/FAForever/fa/blob/de ... tstats.lua

A single lua file with code that need a makeover. Anyone should be able to do this, it's a very trivial thing to do, only needs time / motivation and almost no skill except some basic programming knowledge.

Statistics: Posted by Crotalus — 28 Jul 2016, 13:21

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-07-28T04:17:37+02:00

As a toggle this is a great idea!

Statistics: Posted by Androish — 28 Jul 2016, 04:17

Re: Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-07-28T03:49:12+02:00

I don't like logarithmic graphs at all but if it was optional sounds nice

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 28 Jul 2016, 03:49

Logarithmic Score Graphs

2016-07-28T00:24:29+02:00

I don;t know whether it would be better to put it here or on the beta balance forum, but I'll put it here until it gets moved.

Is there a way to change the end-of-game score graphs from a linear scale to a logarithmic scale? The point of the graph is to see how each player has done in the game so far compared to the other players at any point in the game. However, the score for each player increases exponentially, not linearly, so if the game goes long enough that players are racking up 300k points or more then the graph becomes so compressed that you can't tell each player's scoreline apart from everyone else's at the beginning of the game where the differences in player score my be a couple hundred or a couple thousand points. All of the lines just merge together into one blob at the beginning and the only useful information is to determine who ran away with score in the game at the end, and can't see who contributed the most early on. The colored background showing the ratio of each player's score relative to time helps, but it can be hard to see who has more when the players are close in score. It also isn't ordered.

I believe this can be fixed by changing the score screen from a linear graph to a logarithmic graph, where each successive unit of height represents a ten-fold increase in score. This type of graph would still show how each player's score increased over time but would also better show how each player's score relates to every other player's score at the beginning of the match as well,where the differences are much smaller.

I realize that many people here don't even look at that screen, but I think it can be a small thing to do to improve the experience for people who do, such as myself.

Statistics: Posted by everywhere116 — 28 Jul 2016, 00:24