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Re: ACU fall

2016-07-30T03:49:11+02:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 30 Jul 2016, 03:49

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-30T00:50:05+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Good necro people.

Supreme Commander does not have such thing as swamps, Hawkei. Or quicksand.

Not necessary. Even with firm ground the pressure would be so intense that the ground would be severely disturbed, with an impact crater. The ACU would either be crushed into a pile of wreckage under it's own weight or buried beneath the surface.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 30 Jul 2016, 00:50

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-29T22:12:25+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
Supreme Commander does not have such thing as swamps, Hawkei. Or quicksand.

This is false. We do have color palettes and textures for swamps and mud. Also, we have sand and wet sand = soft ground.

Statistics: Posted by BushMaster — 29 Jul 2016, 22:12

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-29T16:26:45+02:00

Good necro people.

Supreme Commander does not have such thing as swamps, Hawkei. Or quicksand.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 29 Jul 2016, 16:26

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-29T16:04:07+02:00

Well thinking about the physics a bit more I think you need to recognise that ground pressure is a function of scale. Because the weight of an object is proportional to it's volume, and ground pressure is inversely proportional to surface area. So as things get bigger, you should expect the ground pressure to increase in proportion to size.

A giant robot standing 100 m tall and falling from a height of perhaps 300 m would exert such a tremendous pressure that it is unlikely that it would survive with legs intact. To say nothing of the terrain it is standing on. This was precisely the problem that the German's discovered in WW2 with their massive tanks (such as the "Rat"). They suffered greatly from excessive ground pressure, which made them useless on soft ground.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 29 Jul 2016, 16:04

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-29T12:39:25+02:00

About the Mass:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6416&hilit=weight&start=10

Statistics: Posted by rxnnxs — 29 Jul 2016, 12:39

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T18:26:34+02:00

All right, I got enough answers and feedback.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 08 Jul 2016, 18:26

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T18:03:35+02:00

So I did some rough calculations (e=mc^2) to work out how much energy a t2 mass fabricator funnels into mass.

Assuming that a wall section is a lump of concrete at 50 mass, around 10x10x10 volume, about 3/4 of which isn't concrete, then that means a mass fabricator needs ~2.5e+22 joules to run.

Lets be generous and assume that the t2 mass fabricator needs 250 e to run, that means 1e == 1x10^22J. Supposing a hydrocarbon powerplant runs off the relatively energy dense methane, then to produce 100e it must burn approximately 2x10^11 tonnes of methane a second. This is equivalent to burning the mass of the moon in methane every 40 seconds.

I hereby recommend a nerf to the hydrocarbon power plant.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 08 Jul 2016, 18:03

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T17:43:14+02:00

For whoever will be doing the squatting animation here is a great tutorial for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8gsWZqDBM

Really Lich, you should become a modder yourself your ideas would be much easier to digest if they were already done and ready to implement (preferably in a form of sim mod).

Statistics: Posted by BenDover — 08 Jul 2016, 17:43

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T07:24:29+02:00

selfie of my acu when it lands and covers all of map with lenny parachute

Statistics: Posted by biass — 08 Jul 2016, 07:24

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T06:46:22+02:00

I like the 3km parachute idea better, i don't want my acu squatting, will look like he is taking dump. Not cool.

Statistics: Posted by BushMaster — 08 Jul 2016, 06:46

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T04:46:32+02:00

All right. I still stay on my idea of ACU squatting. But since you insist on the physical impossibility of human surviving such deceleration, I have two propositions (both upgrades, both include the necessity of adding a new branch of commander upgrades.)

Spoiler: show

P.S.: I never suggested and will not suggest to allow SCUs survive the fall. They may be better combatants and sometimes even have a human inside (UEF and Cybran 6th Vanilla missions), but allowing Rambo SCUs survive a transport fall... would be very OP...

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 08 Jul 2016, 04:46

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T03:43:07+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
ACU's feet are pretty small relative to the whole body. If it does weigh 16k tons, this would just crush his legs.

We have already discussed this. It might be twice the pressure of that under a stiletto heel. I don't know if you've ever made a woman angry, but, while a bit destructive to flesh and unstable ground, I'm sure you can agree that some futuristic metal or metal composite could take this load without a problem. Unless of course you made her really angry.

Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 08 Jul 2016, 03:43

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T03:31:32+02:00

Swol wrote:
LichKing2033 wrote: It cannot weight 16k tonnes because whatever metal it's made of will crumble under such pressure. More like 1600 tons. or 3200 tons.

Ah, but you see, pressure is not about absolute mass, it is about mass per area. If it did indeed have a mass such as the one you are proposing, then it would likely float in water, and we know this not to be the case. I certainty don't like the idea of my ACU floating, it doesn't look like it has the skeleton to be a competent swimmer. I'd rather we do not make this change and leave ACUs amphibious.

ACU's feet are pretty small relative to the whole body. If it does weigh 16k tons, this would just crush his legs.

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 08 Jul 2016, 03:31

Re: ACU fall

2016-07-08T02:52:02+02:00

LichKing2033 wrote:
It cannot weight 16k tonnes because whatever metal it's made of will crumble under such pressure. More like 1600 tons. or 3200 tons.

Ah, but you see, pressure is not about absolute mass, it is about mass per area. If it did indeed have a mass such as the one you are proposing, then it would likely float in water, and we know this not to be the case. I certainty don't like the idea of my ACU floating, it doesn't look like it has the skeleton to be a competent swimmer. I'd rather we do not make this change and leave ACUs amphibious.

Statistics: Posted by Mel_Gibson — 08 Jul 2016, 02:52