Forged Alliance Forever

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T18:44:52+02:00

Sure I'll work up a scenario for micro tutorial.

Done: Decided to expand and create more concepts in the future with seperate categories because speed bitc.... gave some constructive criticism. See: http://forums.faforever.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=10854#p110713

Statistics: Posted by Ceneraii — 20 Sep 2015, 18:44

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T15:31:26+02:00

If you want me to make other tutorials I will need detailed description like Mozart's. Map where to start, where the map will expand. What excatly should be the objectives. If you paint it the better. Or build the bases in sandbox and do some screenshots with description. Or if oyu wanna be really badass you can get your map editor working and place all the units there.

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 20 Sep 2015, 15:31

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T15:32:20+02:00

New version https://mega.nz/#!UxJ1HSLa!JKQdZGCAZEx- ... eBbf8q6R0Y

Most of the things should be done. All objectives, enemy units etc... when sounds and videos are done, I ll tweak it to fit everywhere as we want.

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 20 Sep 2015, 15:29

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T14:33:16+02:00

I would also offer my help with the design of the missions. Maybe we can use parts of the general 1on1 guide for the wiki, which im writting currently.

Statistics: Posted by Mephi — 20 Sep 2015, 14:33

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T14:35:29+02:00

Oh that's awesome. Maybe reveal everything at the end so you see the combined effects of micro that decimated the enemy opponent. Maybe use sentons as an example map since it also shows the scope of the game and such.

Statistics: Posted by Ceneraii — 20 Sep 2015, 14:31

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T09:01:49+02:00

Ceneraii wrote:
Is it possible to do ''sequences'' where a player has to accomplish a certain objective and then it clears everything and do a different objective? If so, it might be nice to make an ''advanced'' tutorial for basic micro, being pitted against enemy with more tanks (concave), more inties (air micro), kiting (take no damage), break firebase with arty/mml/t3 mobile arty, frigate duel (dodging with damaged frigate), reclaim (race to get an experimental up, like your gc vs enemy monkey) etc. Of course this is for later but it's part of letting players know what tools they have at their disposal and what they can do to define outcomes of a battle besides making more units.

You can delete anything on map. But I think more cool way of doing this would be big enough maps that would alway have only smaller area shown where you would finish the objective and then camera moves to different part of the map (the previous get offmap, if you have ACU it can teleport to new location, whatever) and do next part and so on...

Also some buttons once you finish asking you if oyu wanna continue or try it again (even if you fail it can automatically reset without need of restarting the whole tutorial) Right now I dont know how would I delete wreckages, but in terms of micro they wouldnt really do any harm on map.

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 20 Sep 2015, 09:01

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T08:40:35+02:00

Beat ya to it!
After I posted I realized speed2 already said he was going to cover the engy mod so my post was redundant.
So I deleted.

Statistics: Posted by Purelukk — 20 Sep 2015, 08:40

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T08:01:33+02:00

(edit: dafuq, the post i was answering to is deleted now? was about HQs)

Not with this one, but i have in mind 3 more tutorials which i hope will be made. So it will be a series for completely new players to cover most of the game and unit types:

1. Very basic, base building and t1 land.
2. T2 land and air including HQ explanation.
3. Naval t1 and t2, hover and torpedo bombers.
4. T3 and exp units.

Is that good enough? Something to add to these tutorials or maybe take away? Or just leave first 2 and rest people can as well figure themselves?

Also i think tutorials about unit micro are kinda unnecessary here. The point of tutorial is to teach players how the game works and its mechanics, not how to get an edge over your opponent. This is something players should work out themselves

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 20 Sep 2015, 08:01

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T07:19:14+02:00

Nice one speed2. Some comments:

I think the objective should better come in bulk and change once everything is completed to be less confusing. Like first objective is to build a landfac, 2 pgen and 2 mex to get started. Next one - build engie and build rest of the base, after its done a subobjective will come up to build a hydro and explaining it (you forgot this one).

Next, regarding 1st expansion. Cool trick with the eye reveal Lets say there will be total 5 tanks guarding it, have to make sure its nothing overwhelming for the new guy. Also they should be just standing, when i tried it couple tanks ran away from my army when i engaged And have to add objective to capture the mexes too.

Radar markers are nice, i suggest placing 2 here:

Spoiler: show

Also swap the bases so the pds are on the right and fac on the left. 3 pds are nice, is it possible to trigger a voice message when you first run into them (also trigger sub objective and target pds, this is to explain the arty)? Regarding the factory base, bad idea to make units raid player's base. Instead let them patrol some area around their base and respawn if they are killed. Lets say 2 patrols 5 tanks each, and another 5 tanks guarding.

For the final objective:
Right 2 mex expansion guarded by pd and a 5 tank patrol. Hydro + radar same with pd and a 5 tank squad respawning. Base, 4 facs and some pgens, 2-3 pds, 3 5tank squads patroling 2 guarding. Guess that should be enough?

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 20 Sep 2015, 07:19

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T00:58:03+02:00

Is it possible to do ''sequences'' where a player has to accomplish a certain objective and then it clears everything and do a different objective? If so, it might be nice to make an ''advanced'' tutorial for basic micro, being pitted against enemy with more tanks (concave), more inties (air micro), kiting (take no damage), break firebase with arty/mml/t3 mobile arty, frigate duel (dodging with damaged frigate), reclaim (race to get an experimental up, like your gc vs enemy monkey) etc. Of course this is for later but it's part of letting players know what tools they have at their disposal and what they can do to define outcomes of a battle besides making more units.

Statistics: Posted by Ceneraii — 20 Sep 2015, 00:58

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-20T00:10:41+02:00

For Mozart:
first version, "everything" except last mission that will be killing enemy base on second starting position (how many thing you would want there?)
https://mega.nz/#!I1AymLYQ!tYWAWBvm0V8G ... oS-GuhcLuM

Unpack it into your map folder, usually:
Code:
C:\Users\UserName\Documents\My Games\Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander Forged Alliance\Maps
Host any coop mission
Switch to this tutorial, play
- If you have coop patch downloaded already, you can use Shortcut that is in map folder to launch coop offline

Timing of videos objective assigment can and will change. Now its up to you to put it in some shape. Write down what needs to be said to player, etc...

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 20 Sep 2015, 00:10

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-19T21:37:03+02:00

Im already done like half way though, its gonna be canis and its gonna be veery basic tutorial. So dont get too crazy. You can think about some other that will explain specific things.
And try to describe them at least as good as Mozart, if I know what to script it doesnt take that much time ^^

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 19 Sep 2015, 21:37

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-19T21:20:28+02:00

Theta 5
Most glorious map, need to do everything, t1 land, air, t2, upgrades, raiding, securing expansions and using reclaim well .. everything except ecoing for the most part

Maybe a final boss scenario on this map?

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 19 Sep 2015, 21:20

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-19T21:18:43+02:00

My vote would be theta passage, kinda funky but overally 4 mex and hydro nearby. Otherwise +1 to the idea

Statistics: Posted by theeggroll — 19 Sep 2015, 21:18

Re: tutorial missions for initial gamecount and rating

2015-09-19T21:05:19+02:00

No, critisism is good. I actually think i have to at least watch some replays of new players or talk to them to get a better idea what would be best for them.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 19 Sep 2015, 21:05