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Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-08-02T12:23:29+02:00

Earth2150 also had bombers, and they had two attack modes:

Dynamic Attack: Similar to supreme commander, bomber makes a bombing run and drops one bomb. Best against AA
Static Attack: Flies to target, slows down, hovers above it and slowly drops bombs one by one. Superior DPS.

However, Static Attack did look absolutely silly. To see a helicopter hover over a target slowly dropping bombs...

Still, it might be easy to make such a Dynamic Attack / Static Attack setting for FAF units.

Personally, I hate VTOL aircraft in RTS games as they feel cheap, I wish aircraft used and needed runways and had a minimum speed, and had a huge advantage over VTOL units

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 02 Aug 2015, 12:23

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-29T19:15:50+02:00

Definately would be cool to have it as a special formation move for units that are capable of moveing backwards. I do not see much reason to not have it.
As i think of it, probably will not work for air units...

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 29 Jul 2015, 19:15

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-29T19:01:58+02:00

ckitching wrote:
But hoverbombing also makes it very much more likely you're going to get shot down: a hovering aircraft is an easy target for any sort of AA, and hovering over the enemy base prolongs the amount of time you're sitting there getting shot by ground-based AA.

That assumes the opponent has AA.

The most common places I see hoverbombing are at the very beginning of a game, usually going for power before there is no AA, or at the end of a game somewhere where there is no AA (Gyle recently casted a game where someone hoverbombed an asswasher).

Keep in mind this would also work for megabots. It's not just for hoverbombing.

Lastly, please move any "is hoverbombing fair" discussion to a different thread. This thread is predicated on the fact that hoverbombing is OK, because we've had plenty of chances to mod it out now, and it hasn't been done. If you don't think hoverbombing is OK, find another thread to have that discussion in.

Statistics: Posted by codepants — 29 Jul 2015, 19:01

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T18:30:22+02:00

Yeah, hoverbombing with the exp bomber can outrange sams, which is not good.

Statistics: Posted by quark036 — 22 Jul 2015, 18:30

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T12:26:23+02:00

But hoverbombing also makes it very much more likely you're going to get shot down: a hovering aircraft is an easy target for any sort of AA, and hovering over the enemy base prolongs the amount of time you're sitting there getting shot by ground-based AA.

Statistics: Posted by ckitching — 22 Jul 2015, 12:26

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T03:02:09+02:00

Yes well i agree with you, if hoverbombing is ok, it can be made easier. Personally I have no problem with pros being pros because they can manage eighty things at once (and leaving hoverbombing the way it is). However I also have no problem with micro being easier so its more of a strategy game (making is easier). I think it all depends on if hoverbombing is fine or not.

The main issue I have is hoverbombing with first bomber is so terrible. However experimental bomber is also bad. I don't see it much but you can also do it with strat bombers which I think sucks.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 22 Jul 2015, 03:02

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T02:40:59+02:00

Anihilnine wrote:
the harm is that hoverbombing is an exploit and its OP and we cant fix it.

luckily its also really hard to do physically.

I agree that hoverbombing sucks, that it looks like an unintended consequence of the units flying mechanics and that we would be better off without it all together.

But there's no consensus on that, many people thinks its totally fine. I think that if it's fine, then we might as well make it less of a gimmick to achieve and make it plainly accessible to everyone. I don't see where else the game is supposed to reward fast clicking, the UI is supposed to make it easy to turn intent into action.

Something that is only ok because it's hard to achieve, that seems a bit off to me.

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 22 Jul 2015, 02:40

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T02:30:47+02:00

Anihilnine wrote:
No it's fixable

historically attempts to fix it result in bugged bombers that wont drop in non-hover-bombing scenarios

It's not an exploit, it's a feature of how the game units work.

i assume hover bombing is a side effect unintended by game designers and is undesirable.

I'm pretty sure we can make it work if we want to. Whether or not it's an unintended side effect is controversial -- personally I think it's desired, but I respect your opinion We'd have to ask GPG to know.

Statistics: Posted by Sheeo — 22 Jul 2015, 02:30

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T02:04:22+02:00

No it's fixable

historically attempts to fix it result in bugged bombers that wont drop in non-hover-bombing scenarios

It's not an exploit, it's a feature of how the game units work.

i assume hover bombing is a side effect unintended by game designers and is undesirable.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 22 Jul 2015, 02:04

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T01:53:09+02:00

Anihilnine wrote:
the harm is that hoverbombing is an exploit and its OP and we cant fix it.

luckily its also really hard to do physically.

No it's fixable... It's not an exploit, it's a feature of how the game units work.

All the air units in the game are VTOL capable, bombers aren't an exception.

Statistics: Posted by Sheeo — 22 Jul 2015, 01:53

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-22T01:51:50+02:00

the harm is that hoverbombing is an exploit and its OP and we cant fix it.

luckily its also really hard to do physically.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 22 Jul 2015, 01:51

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-21T18:43:26+02:00

codepants wrote:
Anihilnine wrote:Sorry codepants I couldn't disagree with you more. The only thing that makes hover bombing ok is that its so micro-intensive that the player suffers in other ways. You are basically proprosing to make it easy and remove the penalty for trying to hover bomb. I think that's a bad idea... we don't actually want anyone hover bombing and would get rid of it altogether if we could. (People have tried). The mega thing is more likable but its not that hard to spam move order is it?

I am not proposing a button that auto-hoverbombs. Micro is still required. I agree with you that there should not be an "auto-hoverbomb." You still have to pay attention to the unit and you still have to do something repetitive, time-consuming, and attention-consuming.

In any case, it sounds like folks either don't like this or have found a mod that does something similar, so I'll bow out.

I would like it. In my opinion, micro should be about dedicating attention to details, not about being good with a mouse. So I don't see what would be the harm in it.

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 21 Jul 2015, 18:43

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-21T18:24:10+02:00

Anihilnine wrote:
Sorry codepants I couldn't disagree with you more. The only thing that makes hover bombing ok is that its so micro-intensive that the player suffers in other ways. You are basically proprosing to make it easy and remove the penalty for trying to hover bomb. I think that's a bad idea... we don't actually want anyone hover bombing and would get rid of it altogether if we could. (People have tried). The mega thing is more likable but its not that hard to spam move order is it?

I am not proposing a button that auto-hoverbombs. Micro is still required. I agree with you that there should not be an "auto-hoverbomb." You still have to pay attention to the unit and you still have to do something repetitive, time-consuming, and attention-consuming.

In any case, it sounds like folks either don't like this or have found a mod that does something similar, so I'll bow out.

Statistics: Posted by codepants — 21 Jul 2015, 18:24

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-21T01:44:52+02:00

Sorry codepants I couldn't disagree with you more. The only thing that makes hover bombing ok is that its so micro-intensive that the player suffers in other ways. You are basically proprosing to make it easy and remove the penalty for trying to hover bomb. I think that's a bad idea... we don't actually want anyone hover bombing and would get rid of it altogether if we could. (People have tried). The mega thing is more likable but its not that hard to spam move order is it?

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 21 Jul 2015, 01:44

Re: Hotkey for "Move Backwards"

2015-07-20T22:29:40+02:00

Aulex wrote:
speed2 wrote:
ZLO_RD wrote:i think there is an UI mod that does hoverbombing for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWgM8x2cgE

Washy's Autoplay mod is only for [e] clan members, 100% UI 100% legit

I think we must ban all the e members until they give the mod up, maybe subjugate them to daily harassment by the bc clan.

I think Blodir and speed2 should be banned, becouse they have some advanced autoplay mod... my doesn't work that great... all it does is beetles, maybe it broke or went into a loop or something

Statistics: Posted by Tokyto — 20 Jul 2015, 22:29