Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-19T20:26:57+02:00

Just to come back and plug this again. I really do think this needs to be an option. Maybe with an option to take clan tags into account also (keep them on the same team).
I think this would really help giving people a more pleasant experience as almost every game lobby descends into people complaining about the setup.
Is there someone in particular I can lobby that would help get this implemented?

Statistics: Posted by Anti-Distinctlyminty — 19 Jul 2015, 20:26

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-12T23:54:43+02:00

I did not claim they are the same, merely that this is the closest existing feature.

Statistics: Posted by ckitching — 12 Jul 2015, 23:54

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-12T21:17:11+02:00

Random spawn and the requested auto-balance feature is not the same. One allows manual corrections afterwards, the other doesn't.

Statistics: Posted by Downlord — 12 Jul 2015, 21:17

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-12T20:49:35+02:00

let the host "mark" players that he wants to play together and let autobalance only find the best fitting opponent team possible

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 12 Jul 2015, 20:49

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-12T20:41:14+02:00

Well, they added the poorly-named "random spawns" feature that really does autobalance.
I'll add a button to do it in-lobby in the next couple of weeks: we plan to do some UI changes as hotfixes chasing after 3641, so this can go in with those (as well as the long awaited unfucking of manual-mode autoteams).

Such are the scheduling issues when you only have 1-ish developers.

Statistics: Posted by ckitching — 12 Jul 2015, 20:41

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-12T18:22:42+02:00

This should've been done months to years ago.

Statistics: Posted by Downlord — 12 Jul 2015, 18:22

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-10T16:57:59+02:00

Well that answers that question then. One potential area for improvement - though I have no idea how this would be implemented - to to auto-balance with constraints. e.g. Auto-balance as best possible but with keeping certain players on the same time.
So much time is wasted in lobby farting around trying to make everyone happy, and I think if FAF is to grow, then making these things as painless as possible is necessary.

Statistics: Posted by Anti-Distinctlyminty — 10 Jul 2015, 16:57

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-10T11:52:05+02:00

Turkey wrote:
The other thing is that random spawn will balance teams, but not positions (I found myself in Seton's air against MnB because of this once). An autobalance option in the lobby would be useful to get the teams right, then positions can be balanced manually. Balancing positions automatically as the OP suggests would be more difficult to implement, because map symmetry is not consistent.

I believe that the positions are balanced too, I hardly ever see a mismatch on Setons.

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 10 Jul 2015, 11:52

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-09T22:38:06+02:00

is this because of our games last night? that was awful (well for me, you guys enjoyed it)

Statistics: Posted by yeager — 09 Jul 2015, 22:38

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-09T12:27:08+02:00

The other thing is that random spawn will balance teams, but not positions (I found myself in Seton's air against MnB because of this once). An autobalance option in the lobby would be useful to get the teams right, then positions can be balanced manually. Balancing positions automatically as the OP suggests would be more difficult to implement, because map symmetry is not consistent.

Statistics: Posted by Turkey — 09 Jul 2015, 12:27

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-09T10:22:15+02:00

I also think it should be mentioned better. People are afraid of it. I would like to play more of those autobalance games because handmade balance takes more time and results are .. average.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 09 Jul 2015, 10:22

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-09T10:03:07+02:00

Random teams already sets autobalance, but I agree, the name is misleading. That's a valid point!

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 09 Jul 2015, 10:03

Re: Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-09T09:43:31+02:00

Anti-Distinctlyminty wrote:
Hi all,
First of all, I'm sure this must have been suggested already, so I'm sorry for duplicating if this is indeed the case, but I searched and found nothing. Anyway, my experience in while setting up a game invariably a far more tortuous affair than it should need to be.
For any given set of players there exists an optimal balance: teams evenly matched in terms of rating, similarly skilled players facing one another, etc. I was wondering what the feasibility of adding a button to the lobby that will automatically balance teams. This would make the experience much smoother.

I agree that a distinct button would be nicer, but I believe random positions actually balances teams (and therefore, is not actually random).

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 09 Jul 2015, 09:43

Auto-balance in lobby

2015-07-08T23:00:14+02:00

Hi all,
First of all, I'm sure this must have been suggested already, so I'm sorry for duplicating if this is indeed the case, but I searched and found nothing. Anyway, my experience in while setting up a game invariably a far more tortuous affair than it should need to be.
For any given set of players there exists an optimal balance: teams evenly matched in terms of rating, similarly skilled players facing one another, etc. I was wondering what the feasibility of adding a button to the lobby that will automatically balance teams. This would make the experience much smoother.

Statistics: Posted by Anti-Distinctlyminty — 08 Jul 2015, 23:00