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Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2015-01-14T14:51:36+02:00

NodCommander wrote:
Wow, still getting replies!
Hmm, thats an interesting idea. I always countered Auroras with Rhinos because they have that high ROF against the Auroras pitiful HP. If I got the attention to do it, I will give your suggestions a try!

Stealth helps a lot here. Getting T2 quickly is difficult if not impractical on some maps.. When I tell people to do this normally they come back and complain too me that it doesn't work. Why? Because there are two different things in this game. "Stalls" and "Solutions".. A stall like bomber spam or mixing in arty stall for time but they are not solutions. they don't solve the problem. they only mitigate it for a time. a solution is something that allows you to fight whatever the problem is easily. Such as Hoplites/Rhino.

Stalls should be used to allow you to get to a solution. I may not be as good as some of the other people who commented on this thread. Heck I don't even use Medusa as much as I should. But this is what I have done and believe in.

Statistics: Posted by Kalvirox — 14 Jan 2015, 14:51

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2015-01-13T15:50:22+02:00

Wow, still getting replies!

Kalvirox wrote:
What Aulex said. Also if you are able to get a faster t2 you can use hoplites to easily shred aurora. It's risky on 5x5 maps but on any 10x10 map it's worthwhile so long as you keep them alive. Then when your mirror gets t2 himself you can mix in medusa and rhino's and start to play with his mind. Don't forget that obsidian shields are actually quite expensive when you have numbers of 10 or more so you can easily fight for air control as his power is put into unit shields rather than planes. Once he loses air control, it's hard to recover.

Hmm, thats an interesting idea. I always countered Auroras with Rhinos because they have that high ROF against the Auroras pitiful HP. If I got the attention to do it, I will give your suggestions a try!

Statistics: Posted by NodCommander — 13 Jan 2015, 15:50

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2015-01-09T12:24:08+02:00

What Aulex said. Also if you are able to get a faster t2 you can use hoplites to easily shred aurora. It's risky on 5x5 maps but on any 10x10 map it's worthwhile so long as you keep them alive. Then when your mirror gets t2 himself you can mix in medusa and rhino's and start to play with his mind. Don't forget that obsidian shields are actually quite expensive when you have numbers of 10 or more so you can easily fight for air control as his power is put into unit shields rather than planes. Once he loses air control, it's hard to recover.

Statistics: Posted by Kalvirox — 09 Jan 2015, 12:24

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2015-01-09T01:04:57+02:00

Aside from what's already been said, you can try to snipe their power, this leads to very funny moments if succesful ^^

Statistics: Posted by Ceneraii — 09 Jan 2015, 01:04

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2015-01-08T18:05:51+02:00

Hoplites and stealth can be deadly, you just have to micro a lot and not let them get hit by bombers. If your opponent goes range and omni on the com, get some t2 pd, get gun on your own com, attack where his com isn't.

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 08 Jan 2015, 18:05

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2015-01-08T15:41:55+02:00

Obsidian have huge problem against ACU. Thay are slow, and have short range, that mean when atack thay are in small cone and can be owerchaed in groupf for 2-3 for one OC.

When you dont want to go with acu, because too risky. Then use medusas, thay have emp and you ruin them with another units. Because obsidians are slow, you can easy hit them with EMP.

or you can simply make more units. Obsidian is strongest T2 units, but also most expensive.
Rhino have 85dps 23 range and 1900hp and cost 300 mass
Obsidian have 120dps 20 range and 2750hp but cost 360+37,5 = +-400 mass (37,5 is for build haft T1 pgen because shield consume -10e)

when you take it together with much more owerkill that rhino you can compare it and would see that make Rhino with medusa is stronger as obsidians Comparing is here:

2750:85 (x1,25) = 25s
1900x1,25 (25%bigger price) :120 =19s

Another effective way is try Hoplite with stealth, but this need micro. Hotlite are cheap, fast and have nearly 2x bigger range as obsidians, you would only retread them and you win. But you need bigger place for do this.

Best way is make Gun on acu, and OC them all.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 08 Jan 2015, 15:41

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-30T11:47:01+02:00

NewForumAccount wrote:
The weakness of Obsidians is their range. Rhinos can kite them easily.

I agree with almost all here but i think kiting is hardly the right word with Obsidian 20 range and rhino 23..

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 30 Dec 2014, 11:47

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-30T11:12:07+02:00

Well if you ask me, i would say that i love to kill t1 with obsidians, obsidians are so frontloaded, and usually not miss so that t1 tank does not even gets chance to shoot more than once...

i think you need t2 or even more than just t2 to stop obsidians
2333164 i was making only obsidians and then decided to attack at min 14 or so, cause i was loosing to hard, i had to attack, you can see result

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 30 Dec 2014, 11:12

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-30T11:09:27+02:00

Mantis is useless vs t2 IMO. As soon as I see t2 I stop producing t1 tanks.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 30 Dec 2014, 11:09

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-30T07:14:14+02:00

Well normally you want medusa's but having t1 mixed in helps a lot as the obsidian's waste shots on them

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 30 Dec 2014, 07:14

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-29T22:52:06+02:00

Hmm. Okay, thanks for the tips.

What about Mantis, do I cease production of them once I see Obsidians?

Statistics: Posted by NodCommander — 29 Dec 2014, 22:52

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-29T16:18:32+02:00

Mix in lots of medusas. LOTS. They stun them, they have good damage, and they let the obsidians waste their 480 dmg shots on 140 hp units. Against harbs you need bricks.

Both of them can also be overcharged with a (gun) acu, but that's risky of course.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 29 Dec 2014, 16:18

Re: Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-29T15:20:49+02:00

The weakness of Obsidians is their range. Rhinos can kite them easily if they're supported by medusas (medusa support is very important for Rhinos in any matchup).
If your opponent rushes for T3 (common Aeon tactic), you need to OC them while getting your own T3. Harrassing their T3 production (bomb buildpower) will give you more time to bring out your superior Cybran T3.

Statistics: Posted by NewForumAccount — 29 Dec 2014, 15:20

Help with 1v1 Cybran vs Aeon

2014-12-29T14:23:07+02:00

Hey guys,

Im quite a newbie still. I always play Cybran myself, and I struggle really badly against Aeon on 1v1.

I know how to deal with microed Auroras, but its what comes after that which stumps me every single time: Obsidians. How do I deal with these HP-monsters? Nothing I have at this point of the game seems effective against them. I can sorta hold them off with large numbers of Rhinos (And if the map isnt flat, then...), but after a while the enemy just goes to T3 and Harbringers and Im instantly dead.

Im doing something wrong obviously, but I cant figure out a proper strategy... Could really use some suggestions in general!

Statistics: Posted by NodCommander — 29 Dec 2014, 14:23