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Re: About construction queue

2014-09-30T10:56:46+02:00

Ooookay, that's make sense.
Clearer now, thanks a lot.

Statistics: Posted by Aarhun — 30 Sep 2014, 10:56

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-30T10:41:17+02:00

Aarhun wrote:
Phlegm wrote:(...)
Mind you, it's still assisting factory 1!(...)

Is a stop action on the 2nd factory disconnect the two factories ? (Meaning that the 2nd will not copy the build of the 1st one anymore when it is idle ?)

Yes, if you "stop" a supporting factory, it loses all assists. You can check that with pressing shift, and you will see there is no more yellow line with (+) at the end going to the master factory.

Aarhun wrote:
Phlegm wrote:If you want to copy the queue of a factory to another, I only know the way with factory templates: At the top of the buildable list, near where you switch tech levels, there is a button "templates". With this you can save a template, and at the other factory / factories you can select the "saved templates" button and choose the one you just saved.

I don't get it, from what you said previously if a factory support another, it will copy the current build.
So if the first has a queue of for example, 1 engy, 1 tank, 1 lab (in repeat mode) the 2nd one will do the same in the same order no ?
Or does it means that if the 2nd one begin to build the engy with a delay, at the time it finish the tank, the 1st one could be returned to building the engy, and the 2nd factory could skip the lab ?

I think we are talking about different things when saying "copy".

A supporting factory does not copy the build queue of the master factory, it directly uses it.

The difference between supporting/assisting and copying (I believe):

Supporting/Assisting
First, the factory looks at its own queue.
If there is something, take the first unit out of the queue (i.e. remove it!) and start producing it. If repeat is on, put it immediately at the end of the queue.
If there is nothing in the local queue, check if it's supporting another factory.
If yes, check the queue of this master factory, and take the first unit from the queue the supporting factory can build [1]. If repeat is on in the master factory, re-queue that unit immediately at the end of the master queue.

Now, see that there is no copying involved! If you queue up 17 tanks and have a master fac and 2 support facs, you will end up with 17 tanks, produced in 3 factories.

This is supporting/assisting.

Copying via template
Copying a queue means "take the current queue (e.g. "3 tanks, 2 arties, 1 scout") and produce that exact same queue in another factory, supporting or not."
For example, if you copy this queue to two other facs, you will end up with 9 tanks, 6 arties and 3 scouts, produced in 3 facs.

This is copying the queue.

ad 1) Watch out for this: If you have a T2 fac, and it's producing "10x T2 tank, 1x T1 scout, repeat on", and a T1 fac is supporting it, the T1 fac is only able to build the scout.
It takes the first unit it can build (the T1 scout), removes it from the master queue, immediately re-adds it, and when the scout is produced, it can only take the scout again.
You will not end up with a T2 tanks:scout ratio of 10:1, it's more like 1:6. You will have ~6 scouts for every T2 tank. (I just tested this for Cybran)
The T1 factory will constantly produce scouts, like its queue were "scout, repeat on". It does simply not "see" any T2 (and T3) units in the master queue.

Statistics: Posted by Phlegm — 30 Sep 2014, 10:41

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-30T10:30:21+02:00

in my experience, the assisting factory will build the next unit in the queue, then another assisting fac will build the next from that and so on

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 30 Sep 2014, 10:30

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-30T09:44:44+02:00

Thanks all for your answers.
I should have thought of the stop action It is pretty obvious.

Phlegm wrote:
(...)
Mind you, it's still assisting factory 1!(...)

Is a stop action on the 2nd factory disconnect the two factories ? (Meaning that the 2nd will not copy the build of the 1st one anymore when it is idle ?)

Phlegm wrote:
If you want to copy the queue of a factory to another, I only know the way with factory templates: At the top of the buildable list, near where you switch tech levels, there is a button "templates". With this you can save a template, and at the other factory / factories you can select the "saved templates" button and choose the one you just saved.

I don't get it, from what you said previously if a factory support another, it will copy the current build.
So if the first has a queue of for example, 1 engy, 1 tank, 1 lab (in repeat mode) the 2nd one will do the same in the same order no ?
Or does it means that if the 2nd one begin to build the engy with a delay, at the time it finish the tank, the 1st one could be returned to building the engy, and the 2nd factory could skip the lab ?

Statistics: Posted by Aarhun — 30 Sep 2014, 09:44

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-29T19:34:02+02:00

Phlegm wrote:
The supporting factory will use the rally point of the "master" factory for all produced units that come from the master factory, and use it's own rally point for units built from it's own queue.

thx, i didn't know that

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 29 Sep 2014, 19:34

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-29T20:00:07+02:00

The supporting factory will use the rally point of the "master" factory for all produced units that come from the master factory, and use its own rally point for units built from its own queue.

Example:

Factory 1 has in its build queue: t1 tank, repeat on
Rally point is somewhere north and we'll call it "Rally Point A"

Factory 2 is supporting factory 1.
Whenever factory 2 is producing nothing locally, it looks to factory 1's queue, and takes the first unit it can make from that queue.
When that unit is produced, it is sent to factory 1's rally point, "Rally Point A".
It is currently producing T1 tanks from factory 1's queue.

Now let's assume you really want 5 engies at the south, let's say "Rally Point B", right now.
You click the factory 2, set "Rally Point B" for it at the south, and add 5 engies to the local queue.
Mind you, it's still assisting factory 1!

Factory 2 will now finish the unit it was building for factory 1, send it to Rally Point A to the north.
Then it will take the first unit from its local queue, and start building that, in our case an engy, and send it to Rally Point B to the south.
This will happen until the local queue of factory 2 is empty, and then it will automatically look at factory 1's queue, and take the first unit it can build. This unit will be sent to factory 1's rally point, "A".
In our case this means it starts producing T1 tanks again, sending them to Rally Point A.

If you want to copy the queue of a factory to another, I only know the way with factory templates: At the top of the buildable list, near where you switch tech levels, there is a button "templates". With this you can save a template, and at the other factory / factories you can select the "saved templates" button and choose the one you just saved.

EDIT: English's grammar be hard.

Statistics: Posted by Phlegm — 29 Sep 2014, 19:31

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-29T17:40:37+02:00

ZLO: That is bad, it is not implemented, it would be very usefull

I kinda stop like assisting fac to fac, becouse it is sometime buggy, so my HQ is without queve, but my support use it ( not navy)
but I made some unit build template for all land tiers units, firts my air fac dont has queve, but second does (3-5 int +1 scout)

but I am just a noob, but I have it in order

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 29 Sep 2014, 17:40

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-29T14:58:07+02:00

yea "stop" (standart hotkey is "s" ) will erase you build queue and units that are in production will dissapead

erasing queue but leaving unit that is in production is very nice idea that was suggested long time ago, i didn't hear of that being implemented

i rarely use repeat build on factories because i can forged to stop them, i prefere to queue 10-30 units in each factory and then when they are build i decide what to build from factory next. But i still use repeat build to bring scouts, engyes, artys, and other support units on the field

i think if you set 1 factory to assist other factoy, rally point of 1rst factory will not change, you can set it up separately for each factory just by right clicking on ground

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 29 Sep 2014, 14:58

Re: About construction queue

2014-09-29T14:42:56+02:00

There is a "Stop" command that will clear a factory. Right now I have it bound to "esc".
You can use the f1 menu to find this command and bind it to whatever you like.
Telling a factory to assist a factory will always give a destination of the assisted factory and I don't think you can change this without a mod.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 29 Sep 2014, 14:42

About construction queue

2014-09-29T14:25:34+02:00

Hi there,

I often see some good player setting their first factory queue by hand, putting something like 15 orders in it. (like 2 engies/2 lab/1 scout/2 engies/2 lab/1 scout etc)
Is it just because they have time at the beginning of the game ? Or is it really more useful than using the infinite toggle ?

A part from that, is there a way (key shortcut) to delete instantly all the queue from a factory ? Cleaning all the orders at once without using the right+shift on each orders ?
The moment I have to do it, is when I upgrade a factory. I know I can drag and drop the upgrade to be the next order to be done. But when the factory will be upgraded, it will build some T-1 units if I don't manually delete the previous T-1 order still in queue.
Maybe I'm missing something ?

Last, when right clicking on a factory when you have another factory selected, it will copy the queue. But did it copy the destination order of the factory too ? If so, is there a way to copy only the queue and set another destination for the units built by that factory ?

Thanks !

Statistics: Posted by Aarhun — 29 Sep 2014, 14:25