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Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-10-15T08:48:03+02:00

Floating flak and artillery can be countered with naval units. As you are UEF, The Valliant class destroyer is as equally good as the frigates. Because the UEF Destroyer is primarily used for anti-surface. It has a good firing range and when combined with the frigates radar gives you a bit of standoff capability. I'd recommend 3:1 ratio with frigates and destroyers for UEF. For Aeon, I would recommend frigates only.

When he adds T3 submarines into the mix, this is a killer combination. You need coopers and bullwarks, but should expect to suffer losses. Your saving grace is that Roanoke is a big map, and hover units move slowly. I would attempt a game of manouver, and try to isolate the hover units from the subs. Then engage the subs with torp bombers.

Considering that you had a disposition to air units. I would suggest you need to go T3 air and get strat bombers. Against which Seraphim hover flak and cruisers are particilarly ineffective. Have some T3 gunships ready to mop up, or hit the T3 subs should they surface.

Another unit to consider is the Riptide hover tank. Which can ignore the subs and the flak. Engaging the arty directly.

Although the Flak + Arty + Sub combo is quite effective for sea control. It has no capability to attack bases protected with T2 point defence. Consider building T2 PD, and redeploy your mobile units to attack somewhere else.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 15 Oct 2013, 08:48

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-10-10T12:46:26+02:00

If you let sera get navy superiority it is GG in so many ways and hover arty isn't even the best strategy. Against sera cruisers you can't do anything, so if your sera opponent gets navy superiority at the t3 stage you better prepare a snipe. If you have massively outeco'd him you can hold his cruisers off for some time with torpbombers/stratbombers but once he puts shields on them or surfaces his t3 subs there is really nothing you can do. Against other factions (especially cybran) broadswords work great, but sera cruisers have splash so...

Statistics: Posted by Cantor — 10 Oct 2013, 12:46

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-10-08T01:25:25+02:00

Sheppard's advice is, of course, perfect, but you guys all think so linearly. There are alternatives to brute force you know. Sneakiness, a clever attack, or inventive use of a unit can all swing things around.

Flack won't stop Stratbombers; Snipe him
Shields, T2 PD, and a Fatboy (Backed with Stratbombers hitting cruisers as they are built) puts a wall in front of this strategy
Frigate spam works pre-emptively
Drop three blobs of Percivals right on top of his base with Continentals + Decoys; GG
Riptides are fast enough these days to destroy Fobos, I would have thought

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Oct 2013, 01:25

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-09T00:52:25+02:00

no Lion, im saying that the hovertanks were a counter to your tactic, this is why they seemed uncounterable

dont spam coopers next time when you see that he has no navy and you wont have problems, also you have riptides yourself

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 09 Sep 2013, 00:52

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-09T00:30:43+02:00

Radar and scout will help a lot to avoid this situation.An early warning about the two flanking big groups of hovers that destroyed stuff in two inlands would help to prepair de defense by concentrating forces.One of the groups was after destroyed by a smaller force of T2 UEF hovers ever in movement to avoid artillery target.They shredded the hovers in the first chapter of this war novel.

Statistics: Posted by vongratz — 09 Sep 2013, 00:30

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-09T00:00:27+02:00

Ok thx... so you are implying that there is no direct counter but not letting this situation arise in the first place, which in this case would have been by building frigates to deny his navy more effectively before he could get out that unit composition that apparently cannot be countered effectively anymore, once it is on the field?

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 09 Sep 2013, 00:00

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T19:42:40+02:00

Gorton wrote:
Sheppard: I said I did not watch, but frigates are a counter to hover units such as t1 arty.

ok ok ..

anyways his only problem was that coopers obviously are not able to fire on hovertanks

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Sep 2013, 19:42

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T19:07:55+02:00

Sheppard: I said I did not watch, but frigates are a counter to hover units such as t1 arty.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 08 Sep 2013, 19:07

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T19:42:14+02:00

You went coopers only if you would have scouted you would have seen that he had no navy at all at minute 15, he howerver saw that you only have coopers and built hovertanks

this game shows nothing, except that you should:
a)
scout
b)
not go coopers only

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Sep 2013, 19:04

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T18:23:01+02:00

I do think frigs are your best bet vs arty and hover units in general. They will also absorb fire from the destroyers of your opponent and later, the subs.
If he submerges anything you can use your t2 tanks and they can't be hit by torps at all so they will destroy his hover units

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 08 Sep 2013, 18:23

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T18:15:57+02:00

UEF

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 08 Sep 2013, 18:15

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T17:52:25+02:00

I mean, earlier on, you could destroy all of his floaty stuff with frigates. Then the next scenario doesn't happen.
I believe frigs also counter floaty tanks too.

Edit : Also what faction were you?

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 08 Sep 2013, 17:52

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T17:39:00+02:00

Ok, but as I said, he had naval superiority with Sera t3 subs... plus a few times he had even t2 hover tanks in the composition, which would have denied the frigates, I guess?

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 08 Sep 2013, 17:39

Re: floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T17:35:44+02:00

While I have not watched the replay, you don't counter hover with destroyers, you counter it with frigates.
Massed frigates. Frigates building from about 5 factories.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 08 Sep 2013, 17:35

floaty flak + hover arty spam - counter?

2013-09-08T17:06:22+02:00

So, I played a 1v1 on Roanoke. My oponent (Sera) spammed t1 arty with t2 flag. I had air superiority and he kind of naval superiority which I was barely able to keep under control with torp bombers. Neither could I use gunships nor destroyers to counter this t1 + t2 spam. Slowly I lost naval completely due to the increasing numbers of t2 flak that protected his ships. So how are you supposed to counter this?

Here is the replay

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 08 Sep 2013, 17:06