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Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T15:01:46+02:00

Golol wrote:
how to micro in detail?
i cant dodge with 12+ blazes.

Just dodging while moving, dont move forvards blindly, dodge when they are shooting. Send shields ahead so blazes catch up.

but can you push with a pd creep? i havent tried it but i think if the pds are not in a big bunch then they can be easily taken out by hoplites.
in numbers a single volley of them can take out a pd...

Who said you need a pd creep? some pd to retreat in key posotion is plenty enough. Also if he has so much hoplites that he can just go and kill t2 pd's with them, then its already something wrong.

as said, i feel like this will not often be an option since the com will already be damaged.
and you will have to get the upgrade somewhere near the front (who would have his com sitting in the base) and that means you have to run into the hoplite fire with units to stop them from killing your com.

If he goes t2 you can buy plenty of time with auroras to do any kinds of upgrades you need. If commander is damaged then use shields, or just go ahead and get vet.

it doesnt need to be t2 rush. maybe hell be a bit at a disadvantage for some time but it depends on the map if he will actually lose a significant amount of map control.

"A bit" on small maps is all usually nearly all map. On big maps you gain an advantage with t1, he can recover on t2, dont see anything wrong.

Statistics: Posted by Petricpwnz — 18 Aug 2013, 15:01

Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T14:43:31+02:00

you can reclaim the redundant PDs later, also you are not supposed to build PDs only but send one engy with your army, push bot a bit back and in this time build a PD, you can dodge with huge armies, you dont need to dodge everything, but dodging 50% is very easy

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 18 Aug 2013, 14:43

Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T14:36:20+02:00

blazes with micro.

how to micro in detail?
i cant dodge with 12+ blazes.

PD works very well actually, you build one where your army is

but can you push with a pd creep? i havent tried it but i think if the pds are not in a big bunch then they can be easily taken out by hoplites.
in numbers a single volley of them can take out a pd...

Range upgrade (2 range difference is not important at all)

as said, i feel like this will not often be an option since the com will already be damaged.
and you will have to get the upgrade somewhere near the front (who would have his com sitting in the base) and that means you have to run into the hoplite fire with units to stop them from killing your com.

With t2 rush opponent loses map and cant have too much bots.

it doesnt need to be t2 rush. maybe hell be a bit at a disadvantage for some time but it depends on the map if he will actually lose a significant amount of map control.

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 18 Aug 2013, 14:36

Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T14:23:30+02:00

Range upgrade (2 range difference is not important at all), add shields when you reach t2 , also t1 bomber spam, blazes with micro. What else do you need? With t2 rush opponent loses map and cant have too much bots.

Statistics: Posted by Petricpwnz — 18 Aug 2013, 14:23

Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T14:19:16+02:00

PD works very well actually, you build one where your army is, thats often enough
but overall i wouldnt recommend to play sera in ranked atm to be honest

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 18 Aug 2013, 14:19

Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T14:13:37+02:00

the t2 pd is something new but that only helps for defending imo.
pd creep wont work if he has a bunch of rocket bots already because a single front pd might be taken out by a single volley already.
and the gunupgrade is also risky since the hoplites still have more range and in most cases my com ws already damaged from com fights in the beginning. and most of the time i neither have more than +100 free energy so overcharges will regen very slow.
i also used the shield in my last game but i couldnt use it for pushing since it was slower than the blazes.

when the rangebots are combined with a t2 pd it gets even worse.
they can kite back into the pd and always push again for a short time. they will also deny te possibility to kill the pd with mmls.
these are possibilities to survive against them mostly, but not really to counter them.
and i usally dont rely on air countering land since it takes micro and is really easy to counter (build ground AA for example)

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 18 Aug 2013, 14:13

Re: how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T13:38:12+02:00

1. Gunupgrade denies them completely at your commanders position
2. a single T2 PD can deny them nearly completely with your units
3. A shield + power can deny damage from masswise build hoplites for over 30s, enough time to
4. kill them with air (t1 bombers, either stun and catch up or just kill) because you can easily get air with t2 air
5. go back to 1 or 2
6. challange his multitasking skills
7. push hard if he has it on non-commander side and there is a near expansion, rangebots can defend, they can just fall back
8. dodge

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 18 Aug 2013, 13:38

how to counter rocket bot spam as aeon

2013-08-18T13:19:11+02:00

so how do i do it the best way. air units are not an option
blazes are supposed to be a counter but they barely work.
especially when the numbers go higher the blazes get owned.
maybe you can win with blazes against rocketbots but you cant call that a counter. the blazes do catch up to the rocket bots but it taked them a lot of time in that the rocket bots tear them apart.
and shields cant be used efficiently with blazes since they cant catch up.
btw i think the same goes for seraphim but im not sure.

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 18 Aug 2013, 13:19