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Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T16:43:44+02:00

No, there is a art to finding it.

Statistics: Posted by Eukanuba — 19 Mar 2013, 16:43

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T15:14:16+02:00

trollerator = water map + fobos?

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 19 Mar 2013, 15:14

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T14:50:04+02:00

DilliDalli wrote:
Nothing beats the mantis spam.

If they spam mantis, put gg, and then quit. Thats the best way to manage your time.

There is a secret unit called the Trollerator that can beat them, but you have to enter a special code to get it and I don't want to give up my advantage.

Statistics: Posted by Eukanuba — 19 Mar 2013, 14:50

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T11:02:30+02:00

Nothing beats the mantis spam.

If they spam mantis, put gg, and then quit. Thats the best way to manage your time.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 19 Mar 2013, 11:02

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T10:48:54+02:00

imo Rush is not really correct word, it is just t1 spam...
And if you will do same bo but with strikers, you will win cause stiker have 1/13 cost more and 1/10 hp,
You just have to predict where mantis will atack (in game that means just spam to the side ftw)

On maps like williamson bridge, crag dunes, finns, ambush, blasted, 2ways maps, as uef you can just spam all tanks and artys to 1 side and move there with acu, and prepare to have a pd with walls on othe side(that will be actually almost on your base, on finns around your base), and try to force a base swap, and if your opponent will do the same you will win cause of artys, if he spam to your side and move acu there too, you have your acu hp advantage, and again as zep said tanks are good...
And as voodoo said you should try to atack... xD
But do not let your tanks die one by one to mantis

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 19 Mar 2013, 10:48

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T10:41:24+02:00

I think someone did a test on this.

If I remember correctly in 10vs10 battle as many as six UEF strikers would survive, please don't post factually incorrect information.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 19 Mar 2013, 10:41

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T10:16:28+02:00

HyperNova wrote:
Never fight them force to force while tech 1. You will lose if it's even numbers.

Actually no, mantis will always lose mass for mass -except against auroras if they are too close -.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Mar 2013, 10:16

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T02:06:13+02:00

Fast enough to hit a run. Fast enough to run away from any army. Fast enough to run to the rear of someone's base. Best way to fight mantis is to go tech 2 land. Use walls to make a choke point. Never fight them force to force while tech 1. You will lose if it's even numbers. Mantis is cheaper and faster. UEF Ma12 Strikers or Sera Thaams don't pwn them at all, and costs more. Tech t2 is the best bet.

Walls & PD are your best friend.

Mantis spam is like a swarm of robotic ants. They move fast, build cheap, shoot fast (so long for LaBs), and get to a key location faster. You can't reinforce a location faster than Cybran. It's always an against the ropes battle versus them with another faction.

Statistics: Posted by HyperNova — 19 Mar 2013, 02:06

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-19T01:45:39+02:00

As well as what people have already stated

Go in a sandbox game with cheats.

Race all four t1 tanks.

Yes mantis are faster but nowhere near as fast as people like to make out.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 19 Mar 2013, 01:45

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-14T23:26:15+02:00

Pds own mantis so hard....as cybran players tend to just spam mantis and no arty (like me)
else you could spam tanks as mantis cant win vs tanks

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 14 Mar 2013, 23:26

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-14T17:24:43+02:00

You guys should know that if you keep your tanks on the move, the mantis will have a very hard time aiming at them, thus you can counter them much more easily. Just keep your tanks on the move with attack/ move and patrol orders and you'll get an edge.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 14 Mar 2013, 17:24

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-03-14T17:10:46+02:00

Tanks own Mantis,
intel owns raiding,
flowers are red,
look my signature

I don't get the flowers part

Maybe thats interesting for you, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRWOnOUT8A

Statistics: Posted by Hascins — 14 Mar 2013, 17:10

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-02-28T13:13:18+02:00

Johnattan Wolf wrote:
All is in the question.. I lost all my games against mantis rushes.

Mantis are fastest units.. are built fast... weak but numerous...
My tanks are too expensives and I spent too much mass
Turrets T1 are too easy to destroy...

Thx for yours answers, tips and tricks

J.W

I also struggled with Mantis rushes, see viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2917

After some practice you can build a tank army that can hold them off, but then they use their speed to kill your outlying masspoints and you still lose.
Point Defense turns out to be the magical solution against Mantis for me. I usually go for a strong main force with tanks, and protect my flanks with point defenses. I also like to build a point defense near my hydro or power farm in case a few get through.

Also don't neglect air against Cybran, if you have air superiority your bombers can help a great deal with those Mantis, if you don't get air then you can't deal with those pesky Jester gunships.

Edit: make sure to surround your point defenses with walls, and prepare for artillery when the Cybran notices it.

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 28 Feb 2013, 13:13

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-02-27T22:26:47+02:00

What Sheppard meant to say is that you should check out some of the stuff he has linked, because it's pretty useful.

I'd say, as someone who plays Cybran, that one of the biggest things a lot of people miss is proper intel and scouting. A good formation of tanks, a well-placed point defense, or even your commander can easily hold off a Mantis rush. The key is to know when and where they are coming. Learn to constantly scout your opponent and build radar. That way, you can position your forces to meet the red pew-pew tide head-on, as well as tell if your opponent has brought in arty to deal with your PD.

Statistics: Posted by GallantDragon — 27 Feb 2013, 22:26

Re: How to stop a mantis Rush?

2013-02-27T00:09:10+02:00

Tanks own Mantis,
intel owns raiding,
flowers are red,
look my signature.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 27 Feb 2013, 00:09