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Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-03-03T22:30:12+02:00

raiding is part of the strategy, but i mean sera has no labs at at all... so whatever

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 03 Mar 2013, 22:30

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-03-03T19:22:46+02:00

I've been ignoring LABs for the past few games and seem to play much better as a result. I just can't be bothered with the micro. I play SC because I like strategy, not a clicking competition

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 03 Mar 2013, 19:22

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-03-01T10:41:32+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
a Lab is 35 mass
a scout is 12 mass

a engy is 52 mass
a T1 mex is +2 mass income
+he has to send units and search for the lab

so yes, one engy kill is worth it

But you will also delay 1, 2 or even 3 of your own masspoints by 11 seconds.
That's another 11, 22 or 33 mass. - So, the damage requirement rises to 80.

So, destroy engineer AND delay T1 mex for 14 seconds... which should be easy considering a new engineer takes 13 seconds to build.

good idea to actually calculate

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 01 Mar 2013, 10:41

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-28T11:27:29+02:00

a Lab is 35 mass
a scout is 12 mass

a engy is 52 mass
a T1 mex is +2 mass income
+he has to send units and search for the lab

so yes, one engy kill is worth it

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 28 Feb 2013, 11:27

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-28T10:45:09+02:00

How much damage should you do with a LAB + scout raid for it to be worth it? (economy-wise)

Is 1 destroyed/denied mex enough, do you need more?

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 28 Feb 2013, 10:45

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-27T01:10:34+02:00

I watched the seleen replay; a nice one indeed! Had a Seraphim player done that to me, he would have caused me no end of trouble for sure. I'll check out the rest of the replays and see what else I can learn. Thanks!

Statistics: Posted by dotswarlock — 27 Feb 2013, 01:10

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-26T21:44:49+02:00

they are scouts with high dps, no LABs
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=3058&p=30316#p30314

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 26 Feb 2013, 21:44

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-26T21:42:35+02:00

What is recommended for the Seraphim T1 combat scout? They can match labs for speed, but lack the firepower. Send 3 of them at a time?

Statistics: Posted by dotswarlock — 26 Feb 2013, 21:42

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-26T21:35:51+02:00

foregoing raiding and going straight to defending tanks is a perfectly viable strategy. You should go with what fits your style. But labs are cheap and picking off a single expanding engie pays for your lab many times over. It is often unsuccessful, but is a low-risk high-reward strategy. You should at least do it occasionally to practice with the micro. The more strategies and tactics you have in your arsenal the better off you are in the long run.

Statistics: Posted by MadStork — 26 Feb 2013, 21:35

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-25T15:11:57+02:00

Then you didn't pay enough attention, didn't send them to the right places and didn't micro them well. Play a good player and watch how they screw over your BO with early bot raiding.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 25 Feb 2013, 15:11

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-25T14:56:18+02:00

The last 6 games I have tried raiding with LABs, the last 6 games I have lost. LABs seem like a waste of time to me

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 25 Feb 2013, 14:56

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-24T01:20:36+02:00

just build a scout and a LAB as 3th/4th unit

- send to a point where you expect an engy
--> one slow bilp = engy -> kill
--> one slightly faster bilp = tank -> retreat
--> one very fast and one fast = LAB + scout -> send scout in front of the LAB and prepare for micro
--> one slow and one closing the gap and falling back again -> engy + lab, keep out of the buildrange of the engy, prepare for micro
--> two slow, one slightly behind = tank + engy, retreat, or try to kill the first bilp fast and retreat after that

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 24 Feb 2013, 01:20

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-23T22:48:25+02:00

Don't know what are you talking about here, guys. ~75% of my LAB's are successfull at killing enemy's engies, sometimes they just win me a game. Your enemy simply can't get enough tanks to defend every point on the map, use LABs to overwhelm your enemies. Just don't build lots of engies first, try to get LABs as early as possible. And of course they require micro, but that's up to you.

Statistics: Posted by Petricpwnz — 23 Feb 2013, 22:48

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-23T22:25:41+02:00

The advantage of LABs: They are cheap, they are fast, they have a good dps.
The cons: Tanks.

In the early game you want some fast units to get scouting information and kill lonely engies to stop you enemy from expanding. If you send a scout with your LAB you can spot if the engies are guarded or not. If they are not, kill them, if they are, run away. Its simple.

You shouldn't build many LABs, but thats plain. But in the first 2-3 minutes the loose of some engies can swing the game into your favor straight away. If you dont kill anything but get scout-info its good too. If you LABs get destroyed by the ACU its great, because you know where he is. If your LABs get destroyed by enemy LABs or tanks you know, that you dont have to worry about getting raided because he used his units defensiv.

And all that knowledge for just 35 mass!

Of course, to defend your engies tanks are better. But raiding is important not only to kill stuff, but also getting early scouting-information.

Statistics: Posted by CrayzyNath — 23 Feb 2013, 22:25

Re: LABs for early raiding

2013-02-23T22:00:02+02:00

I tend to do the same; going straight for tanks. I'm just not good enough to go for light assault bots just yet.

Statistics: Posted by dotswarlock — 23 Feb 2013, 22:00