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Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-22T13:30:02+02:00

the first bomber with the 3 engy kills was pretty nice, however keep in mind that Blasted Rock is problematic for early air cause you have an inbuilt deathzone for bombers due the civilean anti-air tower

Flynn wrote:
Not sure why you retreated your com from his base once you were inside

Yeah, maybe, but that's something that does depend from the point of vew you have at this time, it's easy to say it from the replay, but due limited radar coverage it seemed not to be safe when i played this game.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 22 Feb 2013, 13:30

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-22T10:23:17+02:00

You played that very well. I am sure Napalm would agree; once he's cooled down that is Not sure why you retreated your com from his base once you were inside it though; you should have reclaimed everything and ended the game there and then It is also good at the start how you keep the pressure on after the early bombers by com rushing his base and raiding with tanks.

Edit:

Tried 2nd air this morning, it worked! I was a bit sloppy, forgetting to put my engineers on reclaim patrol and not microing them so they build walls when they are on the outside ( ) but apart from that my overall strategy worked. I hate to say it incase he reads here but my opponent didn't seem worthy of his rating, probably one of those team game types! As soon as I saw his com without units I go straight for the kill.

It's only a short (but sweet) game on blasted rock:

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 22 Feb 2013, 10:23

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-22T13:24:37+02:00

I searched out a second air replay on theta:
FirstAirTheta.fafreplay
i think it's a pretty good example how to use second air, and my apm is so low that it can be easily followed

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 21 Feb 2013, 13:17

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-21T12:42:35+02:00

If you can't micro them effectively then they won't be effective. If you can micro them effectively and still maintain macromanagement and unit micro then they are a viable strategy to use. Practice will improve your micro so you can use air effectively.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 21 Feb 2013, 12:42

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-21T11:25:43+02:00

ZaphodX wrote:
Watch a replay of a pro doing it and hold shift. Look from their perspective (Example in the video description below).

Make lots of small move commands until you get in radar range (but not too close). Then choose a target that looks like an engineer and attack. Choose your second target as you make the run or just use that method again.

Or you could just build a single scout first.

I explain it in a perfect example here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iurv5DlqzX0#t=82s

I was pissed when I made my last post but I still can't see how bombers are effective because you've got to spend 1-2 minutes microing them constantly which means you can't expand across the map during that time. Plus if you make a scout you lose the element of surprise.

Yynatago wrote:
Watch a few recent 1v1 game with Evaphilipp playing and try to tell me that Air is ineffective.

I'm talking about 1st or 2nd air specifically.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 21 Feb 2013, 11:25

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-21T01:57:37+02:00

Watch a few recent 1v1 game with Evaphilipp playing and try to tell me that Air is ineffective.

Statistics: Posted by Yynatago — 21 Feb 2013, 01:57

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-20T22:17:29+02:00

or lok ZLO_RD/Cerberus1st channel, that can help much

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 20 Feb 2013, 22:17

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-20T22:04:18+02:00

Watch a replay of a pro doing it and hold shift. Look from their perspective (Example in the video description below).

Make lots of small move commands until you get in radar range (but not too close). Then choose a target that looks like an engineer and attack. Choose your second target as you make the run or just use that method again.

Or you could just build a single scout first.

I explain it in a perfect example here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iurv5DlqzX0#t=82s

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 20 Feb 2013, 22:04

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-20T20:50:24+02:00

Whenever I tell the bombers to bomb something all they do is fly over and don't drop the bomb Then I lose the land spam because my opponent out numbers me 2:3 since the cost of an air factory + pgens is equivalent to 2 land factories. I tried it today and failed miserably. Bombers are completely and utterly shite

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 20 Feb 2013, 20:50

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-20T15:10:08+02:00

1st air is a mistake on non-naval based maps
2nd air is on nearly every map viable, if you can use your bombers good, or build a jester at some point

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 20 Feb 2013, 15:10

Re: Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-20T12:43:09+02:00

Flynn wrote:
I am often of the opinion that going 1st or 2nd air is a mistake because it is not worth the amount of micro required which could otherwise be spent on expanding and building your base. Air can be risky, you do need a degree of luck to make it work and the right circumstances. On most maps air is not worth it because you need a lot of mass to go on a pgen spam and then to spam bombers. What do other people think?

It is worth the amount of micro. It just depends whether you have the micro skills and inclination to effectively pull it off. You will never get better if you do not push your micro skills beyond places that you find uncomfortable.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 20 Feb 2013, 12:43

Going 1st/2nd air-a mistake?

2013-02-20T12:36:09+02:00

I am often of the opinion that going 1st or 2nd air is a mistake because it is not worth the amount of micro required which could otherwise be spent on expanding and building your base. Air can be risky, you do need a degree of luck to make it work and the right circumstances. On most maps air is not worth it because you need a lot of mass to go on a pgen spam and then to spam bombers. What do other people think?

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 20 Feb 2013, 12:36