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Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2014-02-24T20:58:44+02:00

samoja wrote:
Most modern wars end when one side runs out of resources because its economy was devastated, like WW2, what if both sides have limitless resources?

Well... It was called the infinite war for a reason

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 24 Feb 2014, 20:58

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2014-02-24T20:28:19+02:00

I don't know, blow shit up.

I do know that I wouldn't be building any UEF bombers though...

Statistics: Posted by Cuddles — 24 Feb 2014, 20:28

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2014-02-24T17:27:47+02:00

If you had such tech available and remained undetected for at least 30- 60 min to ecowhore and thus exceed critical mass and being able to build unopposed for some days?
Millions of robotic weapons ready to serve you at the click of a mouse-complete and undisputed global military supremacy.
You could practically do with this world whatever it pleased you, which is boring..
What would be priceless though are the faces of political, religious, military and financial leaders, being forced to make public statements and confessions embarrassingly humiliating.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 24 Feb 2014, 17:27

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-11T22:40:03+02:00

i started listening to der letzte seiner art but never finished it
i read quest some time ago and haarteppichknüpfer only a few months ago.
wasnt sure about kelwitts stern so far so i havent read/heard it yet.
do you know ausgebrannt and eine billion dollar? these were some of my favorites.
das jesusvideo? pretty strange but cool oO
and the marsproject. although they are youth books they are pretty cool.
i also read "die seltene gabe" but it was a bit too short to be compared to "ausgebrannt" "eine billion dollar" or "herr aller dinge" (my 3 favorites).

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 11 Dec 2013, 22:40

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-11T22:35:36+02:00

i do not read them, but i listen to them as audio books (i try to get the non-shortened version).
i love them, especially: "der letzte seiner art", "haarteppichknüpfer", "quest" (this is a prequel to haarteppichknüpfter), and "kelwitt's stern".

imo, andreas eschbach is one of the best german authors.

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 11 Dec 2013, 22:35

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-11T18:53:14+02:00

eXcalibur wrote:
there is a really great book about exactly this subject!
i have read it a couple of times. i love it.

Spoiler: show
it is about a young boy, who wants to make all people rich by inventing self-replicating robots. this way, all the work can be done by robots without any additional cost.
an ACU can (almost) self-replicate as well, just build an SCU... and this SCU builds another, and another, and ...

unfortunately, it is only available in german (as far as i know): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herr_aller_Dinge

you read herr aller dinge!
did you read al other eschbach books too? they are so awesome!

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 11 Dec 2013, 18:53

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-11T15:35:30+02:00

i agree.
i know the von neumann concept and it gets explained in the book as well.

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 11 Dec 2013, 15:35

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-11T11:11:19+02:00

eXcalibur wrote:
there is a really great book about exactly this subject!
i have read it a couple of times. i love it.

Spoiler: show
it is about a young boy, who wants to make all people rich by inventing self-replicating robots. this way, all the work can be done by robots without any additional cost.
an ACU can (almost) self-replicate as well, just build an SCU... and this SCU builds another, and another, and ...

unfortunately, it is only available in german (as far as i know): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herr_aller_Dinge

It is called Von neuman and it is a rather well explored topic, but every Von neuman SF i know of turns out to get out of control, like in X-universe of X-games where Von neuman terraformer drones got a corrupt update and started killing everyone, that is why i said that real ability to turn matter into energy and vice versa wouldn't be so kewl, maybe at first you would solve all world problems but sooner or later some madman would start building an army in secret, he would attack, the rest of the world would fight back and with limitless resources earth would be turned to dust. Most modern wars end when one side runs out of resources because its economy was devastated, like WW2, what if both sides have limitless resources?

Statistics: Posted by samoja — 11 Dec 2013, 11:11

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-09T15:03:12+02:00

there is a really great book about exactly this subject!
i have read it a couple of times. i love it.

Spoiler: show

unfortunately, it is only available in german (as far as i know): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herr_aller_Dinge

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 09 Dec 2013, 15:03

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-07T19:33:52+02:00

samoja wrote:
Gorton wrote:Mass fabricators don't make mass out of nothing, they change energy into mass.

Which they get from fusion, making it very efficient process for loosing mass, you cant get any energy except by converting mass, so converting something like 1/100000000000 of mass into energy and then turning that energy back into mass 1/1 only works in game because you can extract mass only from certain spots on the landscape, but if you could melt mass anywhere, as it should be then they are not rely practical to say the least.

Nah, that's never how I looked at it.

I like to look at it this way: You can only build mexes on certain spots for the same reason that we only build mines on certain spots - only certain spots on a planet will have material of the type and volume that makes it worth pumping out of the ground. (Probably very dense metals in this case - gold veins, uranium deposits, etc.)

But you can build mass fabricators anywhere, not because they are making mass out of pure energy, but because they are gathering whatever random silica or other relatively useless material is lying around, and using that energy to transform it into more dense elements that can be used for construction.

Mass extractors pump out material already present on the planet (cheap and easy) while mass fabricators use an industrialized verision of this. Expensive and inefficient, but flexible and customizable.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 07 Dec 2013, 19:33

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-01T21:41:56+02:00

Gorton wrote:
Mass fabricators don't make mass out of nothing, they change energy into mass.

Which they get from fusion, making it very efficient process for loosing mass, you cant get any energy except by converting mass, so converting something like 1/100000000000 of mass into energy and then turning that energy back into mass 1/1 only works in game because you can extract mass only from certain spots on the landscape, but if you could melt mass anywhere, as it should be then they are not rely practical to say the least.

Statistics: Posted by samoja — 01 Dec 2013, 21:41

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-01T21:26:09+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
Factory, pgen, pgen, mex, mex, 3 more pgens, second fac then spam engyes, reclime stuff around and after t3 make t3 power and mass fabs, and make shitload of stuff, like covering planet surface with mass fabs, and then creating more surface areas just to place mass fabs on, and then make some sort of dyson sphere...
basicly i would ecowhore and expand cause i see no enemies around...

This way you will play PA

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 01 Dec 2013, 21:26

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-01T21:22:33+02:00

Wait you mean... I can create a Universe
Suck Big Bang theory

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 01 Dec 2013, 21:22

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-01T21:15:48+02:00

Mass fabricators don't make mass out of nothing, they change energy into mass.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 01 Dec 2013, 21:15

Re: What would you do if you had a REAL commander?

2013-12-01T20:28:40+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
Factory, pgen, pgen, mex, mex, 3 more pgens, second fac then spam engyes, reclime stuff around and after t3 make t3 power and mass fabs, and make shitload of stuff, like covering planet surface with mass fabs, and then creating more surface areas just to place mass fabs on, and then make some sort of dyson sphere...
basicly i would ecowhore and expand cause i see no enemies around...

Yeah but rely, the true question is why, what would you gain by it? srsly how would one unravel that kind of power without causing a catastrophe, i mean if you shared it with even one more person there is a great chance you two would end up in eternal power struggle with both of you having infinite resources, which would crush the rest of humanity and quite possibly a large portion of our galaxy too, so you would have to keep the knowledge solely to yourself. But rely what is the point, world dominance is overrated, many many millions of people would die, and all you would get is a full time job of running the entire world, do you know how much paperwork that is? And you already can synthesize whatever you could possibly want, so what are the benefits of being overlord of the world?

EDIT: oh by the way the way i see it, mexes are not rely necessary, you could just situate yourself atop rocky mountains and melt it fro top to bottom, nuff mass to do whatever you like.

EDIT 2: I said no mas fabs, they are wholly impossible, turning 1 kg of mass into energy and vice versa is theoretically possible, making mass out of nothing not so much, and there is already more then enough mass in solar system alone to make whatever the hell you want, there is mass of earth*5 in oort cloud alone.

Statistics: Posted by samoja — 01 Dec 2013, 20:28