Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T17:20:42+02:00

Yeah, just one 1v1 ladder then. Agreed.

I wonder about the anonymous feature. Maybe make it optional? (client says he wants to be anonymous when starting to search)

The fact that people don't want to give good games to good players is one of the main problems that lead to smurfing.

In combination with the tightened search range, this will not be too frustrating (and more legit games played is always good for the competitive spirit - the game should only be over when it's over)

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 15 Mar 2012, 17:20

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T17:15:29+02:00

One of the player can gain points rather quickly like that, but it's almost something wanted, placing players quickly

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 15 Mar 2012, 17:15

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T17:14:04+02:00

thygrrr wrote:
SpinDrah wrote:Well challenge should be every other game at most, i really dont like the idea of people picking every ranked game they play, it would/could break ranked.

Challenge would probably be its own ladder I guess. But TrueSkill doesn't have Elo's inflation problem (with frequent players constantly rising in score merely by virtue of playing)

why would you... truth is, we should not expect hundreds or thousands of 1on1 players. Splitting it therefore in multiple 1on1 ladders is not useful.

Right now, there is no huge difference between arranging a game or searching by random, if there are only a small amount of players anyways.

Like you said, Trueskill also wont allow a pair of players to increase there rating endlessly. If player A always wins vs B he will get smaller amount of points every game...

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 15 Mar 2012, 17:14

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T17:01:52+02:00

SpinDrah wrote:
Well challenge should be every other game at most, i really dont like the idea of people picking every ranked game they play, it would/could break ranked.

Challenge would probably be its own ladder I guess. But TrueSkill doesn't have Elo's inflation problem (with frequent players constantly rising in score merely by virtue of playing)

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 15 Mar 2012, 17:01

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T15:55:07+02:00

Well challenge should be every other game at most, i really dont like the idea of people picking every ranked game they play, it would/could break ranked.

Statistics: Posted by SpinDrah — 15 Mar 2012, 15:55

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T13:57:42+02:00

I have three ideas in my head:

Challenges as the first stage of tournaments (a challenge is basically a 2 player tournament with a very straightforward schedule)
standard 1v1 ladder
anonymous ladder (you don't SEE against who you're playing, preferrably not even in game - each player can choose to reveal their identity in chat, but you don't need to be honest)

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 15 Mar 2012, 13:57

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T12:52:42+02:00

Kryo wrote:
what Tiptushi means is, that he wants also arranged matchs. Which is good, and should be in FAF, and probably will be as thygrrr posted.

Yep, heavy emphasis on word "also". Not arranged games only, but also them, ALSO, also.

SpinDrah wrote:
LOL You should NEVER be able to cancel a ranked game, If you cancel a ranked game you should lose the points. How does it make sense to be able to pick who you fight in ranked? If you want to play a certain person play custom.

I'm glad this is removed, Now i don't have to wait for 2 or 3 Chickens to cancel when i try and play ranked.

I understand your point. Theoretically I agree with it, just want to add little practical point of view. There is other side of coin too, often called realism:

I dont see it as "forcing ppls to play everyone instead of their friends" I see it more like "saving few minutes of everyones time when either one is completly unmotivated to play his game out".

Because if some guy who doesnt want to play vs me, gets matched up with me, he is gona quit / go afk / boil around / do whatever else than play game seriously anyways. It's not what I'm personally looking for in ranked games. This happened to me just while ago today and it happens often.

Statistics: Posted by Tiptushi — 15 Mar 2012, 12:52

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T12:32:16+02:00

I must be a proper function, not a abuse of a debug message.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 15 Mar 2012, 12:32

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T12:28:56+02:00

SpinDrah wrote:
LOL You should NEVER be able to cancel a ranked game, If you cancel a ranked game you should lose the points. How does it make sense to be able to pick who you fight in ranked? If you want to play a certain person play custom.

I'm glad this is removed, Now i don't have to wait for 2 or 3 Chickens to cancel when i try and play ranked.

what Tiptushi means is, that he wants also arranged matchs. Which is good, and should be in FAF, and probably will be as thygrrr posted.

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 15 Mar 2012, 12:28

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-15T12:04:37+02:00

Tiptushi wrote:
thygrrr wrote:
Ze_PilOt wrote:It was for debug. Not sure if it's removed from the lobby.

It's been removed. It launches more quickly than you can read on most computers anyway.

Oh noes! I always thought its very nice feature to have, easy to cancel random matchups with it when im intending to play vs someone I know.

LOL You should NEVER be able to cancel a ranked game, If you cancel a ranked game you should lose the points. How does it make sense to be able to pick who you fight in ranked? If you want to play a certain person play custom.

I'm glad this is removed, Now i don't have to wait for 2 or 3 Chickens to cancel when i try and play ranked.

Statistics: Posted by SpinDrah — 15 Mar 2012, 12:04

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-14T10:11:44+02:00

thygrrr wrote:
Tiptushi wrote:Oh noes! I always thought its very nice feature to have, easy to cancel random matchups with it when im intending to play vs someone I know.

Umm, I think that's not the intended purpose.

In fact, I think it'd lock them in an endless "connecting" screen.

Well, thats how its been used by most ppls i know... Cause there has not been "challenge" - button, its worked kinda backwards, play random opp and cancel till u get man youre looking for

thygrrr wrote:
The coming milestone will have arranged game functionality, Challenges are also a possibility, I added it to the list of considered features.

Cool

Statistics: Posted by Tiptushi — 14 Mar 2012, 10:11

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-14T09:58:33+02:00

Tiptushi wrote:
Oh noes! I always thought its very nice feature to have, easy to cancel random matchups with it when im intending to play vs someone I know.

Umm, I think that's not the intended purpose.

In fact, I think it'd lock them in an endless "connecting" screen.

The coming milestone will have arranged game functionality, Challenges are also a possibility, I added it to the list of considered features.

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 14 Mar 2012, 09:58

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-14T09:49:18+02:00

Open an enhancement ticket.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 14 Mar 2012, 09:49

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-14T09:26:43+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
Yes, that's exactly why it was planned to be removed

I see, there is indeed possiblity to abuse it too. I didn't of course mean thats only thing I do in ranked, just when i have agreed to play someone. I play vs random ppls too.

Anyways, if thats disabled, maybe it would be then nice to have some other way to challenge someone?

It's really annoying if I just played game vs someone, then want rematch and no way to make certain to be matched up vs him. No motivation to play random person when willing to rematch and I know my last game opp too is willing to play. (if im here advised to just quit, then it would be ofc easier to be able to cancel the game before it even started )

Statistics: Posted by Tiptushi — 14 Mar 2012, 09:26

Re: Ranked broken?

2012-03-14T09:15:38+02:00

Yes, that's exactly why it was planned to be removed

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 14 Mar 2012, 09:15