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Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-04-03T16:32:56+02:00

WWPC has always been hard for me to organize. I have given up many work hours and much $$ to fit in with euroamerican timezones. I will rejoin but am having a little break.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 03 Apr 2015, 16:32

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-04-03T15:36:39+02:00

I guess it depends a lot on how how much do you want to invest of your mental capacity toward analyzing your gameplay, tournament or not. I am in it for the fancy badges.

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 03 Apr 2015, 15:36

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-04-03T17:50:46+02:00

The money should not have gone, Visionik said he would fund it.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9613&start=30#p97048 <-- I brought this issue up in this thread and he gave this response.

Edit: Fixed Link

Statistics: Posted by Kalvirox — 03 Apr 2015, 15:07

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-04-03T14:55:47+02:00

Okay, so ..... attendance has been a lot lower lately (probably because the $ is gone).

Does anyone have anything they think should change or be added that would motivate people to play again?

From this post it sounds like most people like it, so not sure what is up.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 03 Apr 2015, 14:55

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-30T21:55:15+02:00

Wwpc is good, it got me from a 1200 rated player to around 1700

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 30 Mar 2015, 21:55

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-30T20:55:48+02:00

Personal response to Sir Prize:

I really would advise against using me as an example for the WWPC effectiveness. As Kalvirox and several others know I'm 30 years old, have a big life outside of this game, and more oft than not I am in dead zones of activity where I don't get to play much. You simply cannot do that and expect to advance in this game.

My situation at current has stabilized a lot better so I will be aggressively re-learning my tactics as time goes forward. My 1v1 ladder was at 1501 before I left for nearly 3 months and has dropped to ~1400 since I've lost touch with a few things; further, there have been refinements in strategy since. My global rating (1v1s against people and tournaments) has been holding steady as I usually take that more seriously.

As we all know the 1v1 ladder is getting updated soon and you won't see as many cheesy 5x5 maps nor the repetition that can occur. I've personally been stuck on Ambush Pass or Blasted Rock (two of my worst maps) this past few weeks and I'm incredibly happy that it is going to be changed over.

Overall it sounds like the WWPC is doing a fine job and we'll make tweaks here and there to make it better. The two-week segment has been greatly appreciated - especially to the Oceania timezones that are nearly impossible to align with!!

Thanks everyone,

Morax

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 30 Mar 2015, 20:55

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-30T20:49:56+02:00

Notes from the replies thus far:

1) Three players believe that development through playing the ladder and with higher-rated
players led to better performance gains over the WWPC. Of note is that this is all from the U1500

2) Tournament is focused on developing strategies beforehand and watching the replays of
opponents (including the champion) to gain an advantage.

3) Some people are stuck in a division and have not improved much.

4) At least five players have moved through U1100/U1500 up to U1900 level since the start of
their WWPC involvement.

5) Most people appreciate the lessons that have been learned through competition-driven games and
feel they have developed further whether they are they "champion" or not.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 30 Mar 2015, 20:49

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T22:51:11+02:00

manread wrote:
However, as for getting better, I'd say playing vs Kalvirox did a lot for me as it forced me to play at a better level or lose (or play at a better level and lose anyway )

*Blushes*

Yeah, you put up quite the fight now

Statistics: Posted by Kalvirox — 26 Mar 2015, 22:51

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T21:55:23+02:00

Well the first time I went into WWPC was when it first started and I got absolutely annihilated, this was when I was a noob (ok a bigger noob XD) since getting a lot better and joining the U1500 (which I could have won many weeks before if I knew how to not do stupid things with my com, something WWPC finally made me memorise). As for the replays they are a great source of learning from stupid mistakes.

However, as for getting better, I'd say playing vs Kalvirox did a lot for me as it forced me to play at a better level or lose (or play at a better level and lose anyway )

Statistics: Posted by manread — 26 Mar 2015, 21:55

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T14:36:07+02:00

Even thought as Partytime. I like the fact that we know the map before playing, and the possbility to watch pro replay, train and make counter BO. (the 2 weeks period allow us to spend time on this)
I don't play ladder that much (almost never), because we are often many BFA connected and play teamgames..
I like the challenge WWPC is offering, and it will lead me to play ladder in a few times.. Hopefully after training a while I could join U1500 part or grab Petric title :
Good vibes between players and nice follow up by TDs.

And also I love that badass avatar (because it's my only lonely one ^^ )

Statistics: Posted by Hellcat — 26 Mar 2015, 14:36

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T14:20:08+02:00

What I do think is great about WWPC is it has a different approach because you know what the map is before you can play. So you can come up with your strategy before hand. You can make a build order. You can watch 2000 rated replays. You can watch how your opponent plays that match. Notably one time I was up against manread on roanoke and I saw his replays - he did the exact same early-double-transport build order in each game. So I made a counter build order that had two inties above his base at nearly the exact second the first one came out. By investing this time I absolutely annihilated him for the first few minutes and then he demolished me and won.

WWPC is different to ladder because you can prepare for the map and prepare for the player. If that's what you like then WWPC is awesome.

I think any skill increase of mine mainly comes from Zock lessons and playing tonnes of ladder. However, by practicing for WWPC I spent a lot of time focusing on specific maps which to be honest is something I otherwise never did. That also led to me refining build orders over and over... the way I build now is completely different to how it used to be.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 26 Mar 2015, 14:20

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T14:12:53+02:00

Kalvirox wrote:
Sir Prize wrote:I dunno if that's from his Kalvirox lessons or WWPC activity.

Both and Vee lessons .

I also called tokyto noob and bashed him several times, I mean gave him lessons, ofc

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 26 Mar 2015, 14:12

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T13:12:38+02:00

Sir Prize wrote:
I dunno if that's from his Kalvirox lessons or WWPC activity.

Both and Vee lessons .

Statistics: Posted by Kalvirox — 26 Mar 2015, 13:12

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-26T01:43:14+02:00

Hmm it's an interesting one. I'm probably in the minority of players who don't benefit much from WWPC for improvement. It's a brilliant thing to have such high intensity games and rewards for winning for all levels of player. My title wins, especially the U1500, have been my most memorable ones on the server - the losses are easily the most frustrating or depressing. But my periods of improvement have been from when I stopped playing WWPC and just played ladder and custom 1v1s with much better players than me, rather than practicing for finals or watching my replays. I think partytime has actually gone backwards on the ladder since he got active, so it'd be interesting to hear what he thinks about it (spoiler: I think he's going to mention Zock lessons), and Morax I'm pretty sure you've been low-mid 1400 at least since I first got in to U1500 around 6 months ago.

manread's point of view would be interesting - if I remember rightly my first WWPC game was against him, for the very first U1100 final, which I won in 3 pretty quick games. Now he's got a mortgage on the U1500 title and I have only qualified for one final, which I lost in 4 horribly quick games against SilverKronos, since the tournament went fortnightly and I started playing again. I dunno if that's from his Kalvirox lessons or WWPC activity.

Statistics: Posted by Sir Prize — 26 Mar 2015, 01:43

Re: WWPC Player Development Effectiveness Discussion

2015-03-25T22:27:02+02:00

I remember my first WWPC game in U1100 and getting raped hardcore. I watched the replay and saw some mistakes and started to improve and eventually did my first game on U1500, where I'm pretty sure I got raped too. I watched those replays too, and improved in this way (as well as WWPC motivating me to play more ladder so I can get better faster). Beating Morax was a goal I aspired for a long, long time.

I held the title for only 1 week before yorick beat me in a Bo5 for it, and then had pretty epic games with SilverKronos in a Bo5 as well as on Syrtis knockouts. All of these replays were watched to see what was done wrong, and the improving continued even more.

WWPC is a place where if you put in work, you will get results. Even if you don't get that awesome, sexy avatar, you will still only be able to get better from the games you play. I will put emphasis on the fact that if you play the ladder AND you play WWPC, you will greatly improve and have much more fun in the game.

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 25 Mar 2015, 22:27